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                    <text>ORAL HISTORY OF SR. ANNINA SCHARPER, D.C.
INTERVIEWED BY SR. MAUREEN SCHMALZRIED, D.C.
APRIL 21, 2017
TRANSCRIBED BY SCOTT KEEFER, JUNE 2019
Sister Annina, welcome!
Thank you
Tell us about your life.
“My soul magnifies the Lord.” When God breathed the breath of life in my soul in my
mother’s womb, she did not know that I was there. I tried to tell her, but she was busy
baking bread and washing clothes for my dad and the other eight children in my family.
Soon she felt me growing. Then she said, “This child will be special.” I have always felt
this as a blessing. “Holy is his name.” I was born on Friday, March 7, 1924 at 6 am, the
ninth and last child of my parents, Marie Louise and William Albert Scharper. I had six
brothers and two sisters. Louise – that was Sister Dolores [Scharper], our oldest sister
– shared with me the story of the morning of my birth. My father told the children that
they had a baby sister which did not make them very happy. Then my father, who was
not a Catholic, suggested that they get ready to go to Mass because it was the First
Friday. They announced to him that they were not going to Mass. Whereupon he
consulted my mother. Returning with the message, your mother said, “You are to go to
Mass.” They complied although reluctantly.
My Baptism took place on March 16, 1924 at St. Dominic Church in Baltimore. I was
given the name Mary Nina. Nina, not because I was the ninth child, but after my
godmother who lived with us, my Aunt Nina. When I was three years old, all the other
children were in school, so my mother had to take me wherever she needed to go. I
was probably the youngest person who ever made Our Lady of Grace Novena at St.
Ignatius Church.
My mother and father loved each other very deeply and if they ever argued, it was never
in front of the children.
I went to Corpus Christi School and was taught by the School Sisters of Notre Dame,
excellent teachers. My sister Ann was only two years older than I and she was my role
model. I thought that everything she did was the right way to do it. When Ann
graduated from grade school, she won a scholarship to Notre Dame of Maryland. I
thought I would do the same. However, although I took the examination, I didn’t win a
scholarship. So, I went to Seton High School. I did not like my first year at Seton
because I was disappointed about being there. After I recovered from that, I loved
Seton. I loved the Daughters of Charity and the care they had for each other, the
attention they gave to each student and the good curriculum. It was during my
sophomore year that my father died. He was laid out at home. Some of my teachers
came to the wake and funeral. I was very touched by this. This is what he told my
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�mother, that he wished to become a Catholic. This was a great blessing for our family.
In my senior year, Sr. Mary Agnes Barry, my homeroom teacher, talked to me about
vocation. I knew that God was calling me to be a Daughter of Charity and I was
convinced that I would not be happy unless I answered that call. I graduated from
Seton in May 1942. I worked at Glen Allen Martin airplane factory and the blueprint
department for three months. I made a lot of money! But I knew that I had to follow my
call, so my mother was very happy to have the money.
I applied to the community through Sister Mary Louise Doyle, Sister Servant at Seton.
After acceptance, on September 8, 1942 I was sent to St. Joseph School in
Martinsburg, West Virginia for Postulatum. Here I taught English to the high school
seniors until I left for the Seminary. I spent a year in the Seminary learning about the
community and learning about myself. My first mission in February 1944 was St.
Ambrose School in Endicott, New York where I taught the third grade for two years and
then was asked if I had any aversion to nursing, to which I responded negatively. I
spent four years studying nursing, graduating from the Catholic University in 1950 with a
Bachelor of Science degree in nursing. St. Mary’s Hospital in Troy, New York
welcomed me as supervisor of obstetrics and a teacher of the students at the college of
St. Rose in Albany. From 1955 to 1959 I was on the school of nursing faculty at St.
Mary’s Hospital, Saginaw, Michigan where I taught medical surgical nursing. Here I
gained new insights into curriculum, faculty requirements, and clinical supervision of
students.
With this helpful background, I was asked to go to DePaul House of Studies in Jamaica
[Queens, New York City] to study for a master’s degree in nursing administration. An
internship at St. Vincent Hospital in Greenwich Village, operated by the New York
Sisters of Charity, proved to be an excellent experience for me. In January 1960 I was
missioned to DePaul Hospital in Norfolk, Virginia to be the Director of the School of
Nursing. This was the first in a series of four Directorships: Sacred Heart School of
Nursing in Pensacola, Florida; St. Vincent School of Nursing in Jacksonville, Florida;
and Director of the Psychiatric Affiliation Program at Seton Institute in Baltimore. I felt it
was a special privilege to encourage these young women to reach their potential and to
become excellent nurses. While there I was Sister Servant with a wonderful group of
Sisters, very dedicated to the patients, full of community spirit, and we all worked very
well together. I will always be grateful that during my years at Seton Institute, I had the
opportunity to visit my dear mother. She was at Jenkins Memorial Hospital. I loved her
very much and I thank God for the positive, grace-filled influence that she had on me. A
gentle woman, she guided all of us by her example and her words of wisdom. She died
at the age of 93, gently slipping away to heaven.
When the decision was made to close Seton Institute, I was missioned to minister to
single moms at Catholic Charities in Raleigh, North Carolina. This was followed by a
return to Sacred Heart Hospital in Pensacola as Director of Nursing Services. Then at
St. Agnes Hospital in Baltimore, I was Hospital Education Director. Then I fulfilled a
desire I had for several years: I volunteered for the missions. I volunteered in April of
1982 and was not accepted until November of 1983. I was accepted with an assignment
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�to Taiwan. Sister Dorothy Folmer and I left for Paris on March 10, 1984 to spend two
months at the Mission Center where we were assigned to take care of two sisters in the
infirmary. I was the nurse and Sr. Dorothy gave all the directions in French. So we were
a very good couple. We were able to start our Chinese classes while still in Paris. With
joyful anticipation, we left for Taiwan in April with our first assignment to attend
language school – quite a challenge! After a year and a half of study, I was assigned to
St. Mary Hospital in Taitung where I was Sister Servant and I was Nursing Educator. I
loved St. Mary Hospital and I loved the staff. It was an unforgettable experience to work
with an entirely different culture and to learn to appreciate and participate in their life
and culture. It was also a beautiful experience to live and work with Sisters of different
cultures.
When I returned home, I had several short stay missions: Martinsburg, West Virginia as
Parish Nurse, DePaul Medical Center in Norfolk as Pastoral Care and also as Sister
Servant, a docent at the Shrine of Elizabeth Ann Seton, Coordinator of Support
Services and Sister Servant at St. Ann’s Infant Home, Executive Director of Mother and
Child Ministries and Sister Servant at St. Louise House in Macon, Georgia. St. Vincent
Medical Center in Jacksonville, Florida gave me the opportunity to serve as a Pastoral
Care Chaplain.
I came to Villa St. Michael on April 15, 2004 having made the decision to retire while I
was still active, 80 years old, and could be of service to the Sisters. Some of my
services were: to accompany the Sisters to the doctors’ appointments, massage
ministry, relieving in the Villa Gift Shop, delivering laundry and household supplies. I
thank God that I can do these services and I did these services, and I thank God that
the Sisters have been an inspiration to me.
Sister Annina, one thing I was wondering about. In the beginning of your life, were you
born in the hospital or at home?
None of us were born in the hospital. My mother wouldn’t even think about that! I was
born in my mother’s bed with her. And at the foot of the bed this cat was sleeping. He
didn’t bother either one of us during this process of being born. But it’s always caught in
my mind because I guess, this is when I first started to like cats.
And you have liked cats ever since!
I have.
And I think they like you, too [laughter]. And maybe that’s why – you’ve been bonded
since the beginning!
That could be. We always had cats in our family at home. Never had a dog – always
cats. Never more than two.

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�Your mother had so many kids, she could only handle two cats. Good, you had a
wonderful story and you told it so well. Many, many different experiences filled your life.
As you look back now, what closing statements would you like to say?
I would like to say that I have had a wonderful life. I think when you listen to the things I
did and the places I went and the services I had, I think you will agree that I had a very
- not really integrated experiences – but I look at them now and see where they were
part of the whole.
And one built on the other.
Yes, even though they were different places and different activities, I am very grateful
that I had the opportunity to have all of those various experiences. Like going to Paris,
and going to Taiwan, and I never really. … my nurses in the hospital in Taiwan, they
didn’t know much… they had had English taught to them every year that they went to
school but they never used it. So, I made them use it. And they helped me to do a little
Chinese, too, so it was reciprocal. What I liked about my experience in Taiwan was that
the Chinese people would bring their patients to the hospital. The people that lived up
north in the mountains, they would bring their mothers and their fathers to the hospital.
And they would just leave them there and never come back to see them. So we would
take care of them until… most of them were borderline dying and we would stay with
them. But I really felt it was special for me because I would sit with them. If we had any
patient that we knew was going to die, I would sit there with the patient til the very end.
That was very special to me because I did not want them there by themselves. And the
nurses – they wouldn’t go. That wasn’t part of their service. That was a wonderful
experience for me.
Thank you very much and thank you for sharing your beautiful life with us.
It has been beautiful and I’ve loved every minute of it. And I thank you, my Sisters,
you’re all part of my life now. So I’m very grateful to you for supporting me and being
with me. Amen.
Amen!

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ORAL HISTORY OF SR. HELEN BREWER
INTERVIEWED BY SISTER CECILE MATUSHEK, D.C.
RECORDED JULY 2019
My name is Sister Helen Brewer. I’m a Daughter of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul. I was born in
Perryville, Missouri on November 24, 1934, and I was baptized the following Sunday on December 2,
1934 at the Church of the Assumption. My parents are Stella Ann Bass Brewer and Edward Louis
Brewer, and I’m the fifth of seven children. Three of my siblings – Louis, Maura, and Dorothy – are
deceased. The other three are Victoria, Dennis, and Albert. The four of us are able to visit regularly as
they live relatively close to where I presently live in Missouri. I have 23 nieces and nephews.
The Daughters of Charity and the Vincentian priests have always been a part of my life. The church of
the Assumption was also known as St. Mary’s of the Barrens. My parish church was also the chapel of
the Vincentian seminarians studying for the priesthood.
Long before I was born, the seminarians built a grotto honoring Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception.
The Vincentians established near that time the Association of the Miraculous Medal. The Daughters of
Charity arrived in Perryville in 1907. Actually, the first establishment of the Vincentians was in Perryville
in the St. Louis Archdiocese in 1818. So, they were there many years, and then the Daughters came in
1907 and established the St. Vincent’s School. They taught there for 95 years before it was necessary to
leave because of assignments.
I was taught by the Daughters of Charity the 12 years of my grade and high school education. The
church, and the grotto, and the Shrine, and the Seminary, and the parish Catholic school are all a part of
my education and formation. When I think about those times of my youth, my growing up, they were
special times that my family was together and those were – like the Christmas Novena, and the Stations
of the Cross, and the triduum before Easter, and the May procession and the Corpus Christi procession.
We went as a family. And of course the Seminary picnic. You had to go to the Seminary picnic.
[laughter]
Of course. I love the Seminary picnic.
Me too
I loved to be around the Daughters of Charity, helping them around the school. Clapping the erasers
was an important thing to do, and cleaning the chalkboard, and decorating the bulletin boards. Several
of the girls in my class when we were about the third and fourth grade, we would race up the sidewalk
to the sisters’ house as they came back from lunch, because we had to be the first one to be able to grab
sister’s hand and hold her hand back to the school.
Sisters Regina [Henley] and Aurea [Ayler] and Blanche [O’Malley] and Clotilda [Landry], and Helena
[O’Shea] and Frances Mary [Rutt] and Frances [Proffitt] were all sisters that I remember closely. They
were a special part of my life. And they made a part of the decision that I made to be a Daughter of
Charity. Principally because they seemed happy, and they enjoyed what they were doing.
One of my significant memories of the possibility of becoming a Daughter took place when I was
completing my junior year in high school. I had asked one of the priests of the seminary if they would

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provide a reference for me to take into St. Mary’s Hospital in St. Louis. I was applying for a summer
position between my junior and senior year to serve as a nurses’ aide. He agreed, but as I was turning to
leave, he called out to me and said, “Don’t let them get you.” I really stopped in my tracks because it
was the first time I think that I realized that I should seriously consider what I was going to do after high
school. He was talking not about the Daughters, but more about the Franciscan Sisters of Mary, who
operated the hospital in St. Louis to which I was trying to be a nurses’ aide. It really was the first of my
thoughts with regard to becoming a Daughter of Charity.
When I remember some of my childhood memories of growing up, in addition to the church and school
activities and living with six brothers and sisters, one of the major memories of my life has to do with
the Second World War. I remember coming home from seeing an afternoon movie and finding my
parents concerned about what they were listening to on the radio, learning that what was happening
was the destruction of Pearl Harbor, and the President of United States was declaring war.
The Second World War was part of my growing up. I was seven years old when the war started. Both of
my older brothers served in the war in the Navy. One brother was in the Atlantic, and the other was in
the Pacific. My mother used to help with the American Red Cross, and my father, as a member of the
American Legion, used to assist families when their loved ones did not come home. One of my most
vivid memories at the end of the war was going to church and thanking God with all of the rest of the
parishioners and the townspeople. It was a very moving moment.
When I think about my vocation, I have to think about it in terms of my classmates in high school. It
wasn’t unusual for more than one classmate to join a religious order of priests or sisters, and in my
particular class, there were three of us who joined the Daughters of Charity this year – this is one
graduating class. One of our classmates joined the School Sisters of Notre Dame, and one of the boys
went into the seminary toward the priesthood.
I joined the Daughters of Charity, and I entered postulatum on June 16th, 1952, and I served my period of
postulatum, or preparation to become a Daughter, at St. Philomena’s in St. Louis, which was a daycare
center and a social service center in midtown St. Louis. After a period of I think about three or four or
five months, I went to Marillac Seminary in St. Louis, and on November 25, 1952, a day after my 18th
birthday, I became a member of the Daughters of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul.
Following that time or that year in the seminary, I was given the habit of the Daughters of Charity on the
Feast of the Miraculous Medal in November 27, 1953. In that time in our history, the sisters did not just
first get a college degree and then you were sent on mission. Actually, you were sent on mission while
you were studying and working for your college degree whether that would be in summer school as you
came back from one year to the other or evening classes and Saturday classes at colleges where you
were.
I want to talk a little bit about my missions and my ministries. I’ve divided my many missions and
ministries into several time periods. First, what my ministry was, and then to share some of the
thoughts I had at several of those ministries.
The first 10-15 years of my being a Daughters of Charity, I spent as a teacher at the elementary school
level. I was first assigned to Mobile, Alabama; and then I was at Salt Lake City, Utah; and then back to
St. Louis. Part of coming back to St. Louis was to finish my Bachelor’s degree.

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The second 10 to 15 years I spent as a teacher at the elementary school level and secondary level at the
Labouré High School teacher and Ritter High School principal and vice principal. And there I was in San
Francisco, and then Dallas, and again back into St. Louis.
The third 10-15 years, 1976-1988 I served as the Director of Religious Education and pastoral ministry
programs and diocesan level Director of Religious Education and the director of Renew. I’ll talk about
those things later. I was located in Springfield, Missouri, and I was located in West Plains, and Willow
Springs, and White Church, and Thayer in Southern Missouri.
The next 10 years from the late 80s through 1998 were a different kind of ministry. It was a 10 year
period. It felt like a longer period than that. I was a docent in Emmitsburg, and then I served as a
Director of Religious Education in a parish in St. Charles, Missouri.
The next thing that I did in that same period of time was I was assigned to be vice president of Mission
Integration at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Ft. Worth, and then, following that, I served in the mission
leadership position at our National Health System in St. Louis and then a ministry councilor for the
Daughters of Charity from 1995-98 here in St. Louis.
That takes care probably of about the first 40 years of my ministry from a teacher to a principal to a
director to a leadership position.
When you were on the Council, was that the days when we were health, ministry, and social work
[positions]?
Mm-hmm.
And so you were the health...?
No, no, no, I was education.
Education on the Council! Ok.
Actually, when I looked at it, it looked like—It just says “Ministry.” In my head... but it was in education.
I wasn’t in the healthcare. I don’t know if that’s how we were.
That’s what I was trying to remember myself. At St. Joseph’s, what was interesting was that was not one
of our hospitals to begin with I recall. It was the St... I think it they were St. Joseph’s Sisters, because you
and I would get together...
Yeah, St. Joseph’s in...
Ft. Worth.
In Ft. Worth was a hospital of the Sisters of Incarnate Word of San Antonio. We purchased it from them.
They had had it for almost 100 years, and then they were not able to continue it.
So those were challenges I guess?
It was a challenging time for sure.
I’d like to just take a couple of experiences to share some thoughts that I had. One of them was my first
mission in Mobile, Alabama. It was a period of the time in which schools and parishes and everything at

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life was to be integrated. It was a period of integration in the 1950s. Several of my experiences—One
had to do with the procession that was held annually in the Diocese of Mobile at Corpus Christi time in
which the celebration was to take the Blessed Sacrament through the city of Mobile and bring it to the
center of downtown Mobile. In that particular year, the schools were to be lined up according to the
year in which they were founded. In that particular year, a school with black boys and girls, with black
children, was placed in front of St. Vincent’s School of Mobile, the Daughters’ school. My experience
was that at one point, as the procession was starting, when the families found out that the black
children were walking in front of the white children, the parents came and removed their children from
the procession. Took them out. It was a shocking thought for—I was twenty-one years old.
It’s shocking still isn’t it.
Right, shocking still. I also remember times when I would see women who I knew were waitresses or
housekeepers walking instead of riding the bus, and also to know that, in the church, in St. Vincent’s
church, the people who were black sat in the last pews, and there was a rope that was hooked to the
wall and the pew, which was an indicator that if you were not white, that you should not go beyond that
rope in church in church in St. Vincent’s Church in Mobile, Alabama.
Was that the time of the bus boycott as well and the boycott as well of the bank industry?
Yes, it was the time of the bus boycott as well. That’s why all of those people were walking toward their
work because they didn’t... They were not going to ride those busses at that point.
When I was at San Francisco at the girls’ high school... This was the period of time in history when
Haight-Ashbury was the most dominant part of what was happening in the drug scene, and we would
have some of our high school girls disappear in the maze of the Haight-Ashbury district. Cathedral High
School was located not too far from the Haight-Ashbury district.
One of the most memorable moments for me was when one of the high school girls in class just burst
out in tears and she said “Why do they have to keep killing our leaders?” She was referring to Dr.
Martin Luther King and the Kennedy assassination as well.
You meant Bobby?
Bobby. Yeah. All of that was occurring in similar time when I was missioned in the San Francisco
Cathedral High School for Girls.
Another one of the experiences that I wanted to share was when I was in Springfield, Missouri working
with the diocesan religious education programs as well as working with the Renew program. This was a
time following the Second Vatican Council in which the expansion of the opportunity for people to
participate more actively in the life of the Church was taking place. One of the memories has to do with
the enthusiasm that occurred surrounding the opportunity when families could more actively
participate in activities of the church but also in the development of their own spirituality through the
participation of Renew. Renew was the name that was given to a small group family-centered
discussion, school centered and family-centered opportunities to learn more about sacred scripture,
learn more about their faith. And that was part of the Second Vatican Council’s expansion of activities
for the Church to be more fully among the people
And that was very new for the Church at that time wasn’t it?

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It was.
You were there.
Right. In the midst of it. Right in the middle of it. Trying to spread that message of the active
participation of people in the Church.
When I was in Austin, Texas-- Mobile; San Francisco; Springfield, Missouri; Austin, Texas—I arrived in
Austin at the time that the federal government was initiating the Children’s Health Insurance Program
[CHIP]. I got into it right at the very beginning because, when I first went to Austin I was serving as an
advocate and a person lobbying for issues surrounding the state capital, the issues in the state of Texas.
Part of that energy that I had at the time was my participation in the development and the acceptance
of the CHIP program for the state of Texas and also distinguish the eligibility programs of whether the
child was eligible for Medicaid or whether they were eligible for the CHIP program. So I did some
lobbying, and I actively engaged with some of our Senators and Representatives at the time. It was a
great experience.
Those were big days for that.
Yes they were. They were the big days.
I spent probably the last 20 years—a little less than 20 years of my ministry, I was in Austin, Texas.
During that time, the expansion of health care services in the Central Texas area, and I was really blessed
to be a part of that expansion, part of that growth in Central Texas. I served as a member of the board,
and also as chair of the board for some time. It was a big lesson for me.
Was that the time that we took over the city hospital in Austin, when we acquired that as well? Which
was mammoth.
Yes, it was. The City/County Hospital – Brackenridge Hospital – was a major, wonderful tradition, but
unable to sustain the cost of maintaining the City/County hospital. So Ascension and Seton Hospital-Ascension took over and developed a relationship with the City/County hospital. It was very very
difficult because it entailed the birth and...
All of the above.
All of the above areas abortion and birth control that would have been possible had it been a public
hospital, but now it was coming under a Catholic hospital system. It had to do with the directives for
health care...
The big directives.
We were dealing with Rome, and we were dealing with the Catholic Dioceses of the United States. So
yes, Brackenridge was a big party.
And Bishop [John E.] McCarthy was so good.
Yes, he was. Bishop McCarthy just recently died, and he was a great help too.
In order to serve the poor. And it’s still going on I believe.

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Yes, it is.
With a new one, a whole new hospital.
Yes, it is. Children’s. Yes it is.
That’s great.
When I look back... When I was preparing for this, I was 67 years of service as a Daughter of Charity, and
I look back at it, and it’s been an honor, it’s been a privilege, and I see it with gratitude and with
thanksgiving for having had numerous opportunities to serve. Actually, I forgot a couple.
As I concluded my ministry in Austin, I also had the opportunity to serve in Gould, Arkansas; and also in
El Paso, Texas; and in Nashville, Tennessee, either as a board chair of the health ministries there or as a
committee member in St. Thomas Health in Nashville. And I also had two other areas, including
ministries, were in Nashville and in Perryville. Going back to Perryville, I served on the board of the
Association of the Miraculous Medal for a period of time.
That was full circle from your very beginning?
Yes, it was full circle from the very beginning.
I look back at my life and I see special opportunities over and over again of many times when I was
encouraged to grow both spiritually, physically, and emotionally. I was encouraged to develop those
qualities that would bring me closer to the people and closer to God, and when I was looking at the
material and answering the questions and working through those, I came to the realization that I had
not said about my sister companions, the sisters that I lived with. When I looked back...
There’s a bunch of them.
I lived in community all of those—My sisters in community, I wouldn’t have been able to do what I did if
I didn’t live in community with the companions—There’s a song “Companions on my Journey,”and
definitely I recall those many missions that I had, included in those mission is my relationship with all the
sisters. So, I lived with them, I worked with them, I ministered with them, I agreed with them, I
disagreed with them, I grew beside them, and I am grateful for all those who were part of my life.
Sister Helen, you’ve shared a lot about how you were really present for a lot of the big major moments
both in our country with the Civil Rights and with the assassinations and then also with the church with
the Vatican Council. I wondered if you’d take a couple minutes if you would to reflect on life now, here,
where our biggest thing is reading the paper or watching the news. How do you feel about living here
[The Sarah Community in Bridgeton, MO]? It’s not all Daughters. We live with other communities. We
live with laypeople. You’re experiences would lead you this direction I would think, but, do you have any
thoughts on the life now as your ministry here?
First of all, I’m very happy to be here.
Yes, me too.
I’m very happy to be living here. I find it very welcoming place. I often tell people that it feels very
much at home. I feel good about being here. People are not nosy. They’re very helpful if you need
help, but they’re not nosy. So you have the opportunity to be in your apartment and be in the chapel

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and have the opportunity for Mass. It’s a great blessing. It’s a great blessing. I’m trying to learn how to
role. I’m trying to learn how it is that this is my life now. However long God gives me, for the rest of my
life, the opportunity to not have such a rigid schedule or so many opportunities that I can’t just sit back
and say, “Well, maybe I can do that tomorrow. Or maybe I can do that the next day.” I’m very grateful
to be here. You talk about there are widows and widowers, there are couples, there are sisters of
various congregations. All of us live in a sense in community, but at the same time, there’s a privacy and
there’s a community that comes together very easily. Very easily. I really do love it here.
Me too. It’s great. And we have time for prayer.
Oh, yes.
We were so busy in our apostolic life. Not that we’re not apostolic.
Yes, very much.
Well thank you so much.
You’re welcome.
That was wonderful. I learned a lot from you myself.

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BIOGRAPHY
INTERVIEW BY SISTER JOSEPHINE TARQUINI
JANUARY 21, 1988

Sr. Cyrilla: Today is the very day that I left the Seminary to go out to San Francisco.
Sr. Josephine: And when was that Sister?
Sr. Cyrilla: It was the Feast of St. Agnes, and it was during that dreadful year when
everybody was having the flu [The 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic].
Sr. Josephine: 1918?
Sr. Cyrilla: 1918. And it was the funeral day of that dear Sister who came from
California [possibly Sister Agnes McEleney]. She was the biggest, the strongest, the
healthiest looking Sister, and from the very beginning the doctor said, “No earthly power
can save her.” So she died, and she was being buried on her name day but in the
general, big cemetery [Calvary Cemetery], because they didn't have any cemetery yet
at the Marillac.
Sr. Josephine: Sister, you are not exactly sweet sixteen. When were you born?
Sr. Cyrilla: I was born in 1894.
Sr. Josephine: And what was your birthday?
Sr. Cyrilla: The third of August.
Sr. Josephine: The third of August 1894. When that date comes around, you'll be how
old then?
Sr. Cyrilla: I'll be 94 years old.
Sr. Josephine: Ninety-four. Isn’t that wonderful.
[Jump in excerpt of recording]
Sr. Josephine: You entered at the Marillac, Sister?
Sr. Cyrilla: Yes.
Sr. Josephine: Who was the Visitatrix then? [Sister] Eugenia Fealy?
Sr. Cyrilla: That was her.
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�Sr. Josephine: And who was your Directress?
Sr. Cyrilla: I have to think of her name. She was the first Directress of the whole
Province.
Sr. Josephine: Was that [Sister] Madeleine Morris?
Sr. Cyrilla: She had a brother who was a bishop.
Sr. Josephine: That was Sr. Madeleine Morris, and then she went over to France and
was a Secretary [Sr. Madeleine became General Secretary for the English-speaking
provinces in 1945].
Sr. Cyrilla: She really knew French so well that she could translate it right through and
just read French.
Sr. Josephine: What did you think of the Seminary?
Sr. Cyrilla: Sister, I was too sick to think of anything. Do you know what I had when I
was three weeks right after Thanksgiving while I was at St. Anne's [Asylum] a
postulant? I got sick and was having a high fever, and it lasted for three weeks, and the
doctors didn't know what was-- What is it? What’s the matter? What am I getting? And
jaundice! Yellow jaundice. And Sister, imagine getting out of bed of yellow jaundice and
going to the Seminary and then handfuls of chocolate.
[Portion redacted from transcript]
Sr. Josephine: Well, then you got the habit
Sr. Cyrilla: And we were stuck there with the flu, the terrible flu, and they kept us there.
This is a funny thing Sister. We were kept over so that we wouldn't get the flu.
Sr. Josephine: And, of course, you got it?
Sr. Cyrilla: And you know how we got it? The Sister sacristan, not knowing how
dangerous it was, went to visit the man that scrubbed the floors. Had the flu. She
brought it home, and all these young, new Sisters who had received the habit were
helping in the chapel, and we all got it. On Christmas Day, one after the other got sick,
and so the doctor said, “Sister, take the temperature of all of them.” I was a goner,
because I knew I had a terrible night. I didn’t want to go to bed on Christmas.
Sr. Josephine: When you got over the flu, then you went out on mission, where did you
go?
Sr. Cyrilla: To Sister Caroline.
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�Sr. Josephine: In San Francisco.
Sr. Cyrilla: St. Vincent's School or the St. Patrick's Parish [Her first mission was St.
Vincent’s High School].
Sr. Josephine: And how long were you there?
Sr. Cyrilla: I was there until 1932 I think it was.

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CONCERNING THE VISIT OF DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY
HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND CAPITAL
ON MARCH 26, 1974
Interviewed by Sister Eleanor Casey
July 7, 2005
Proofed by Scott Keefer, May 18, 2020

Sr. Eleanor: Today is Thursday, July 7, 2005. This is Sister Eleanor Casey with Sister Rosa
Daly who is recounting her experiences on Capitol Hill in 1974, when she visited Senator [J.
Glenn] Beall and Vice President [Gerald] Ford and also went to the White House.
Sr. Rosa: Okay. As far as I can remember. Yeah, okay. We assembled in the White
House to talk to—and the gentlemen's name is in your folder there [Dr. James H. Cavanaugh,
Deputy Director for Operations of the Domestic Council for President Richard M. Nixon.],
someone in charge of economy, and we were all assembled in a conference room in the White
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lunchroom for congressmen.
The most thrilling experience was, he reserved a table right inside the door so that he
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[Senator John] Tower from Texas. Anybody here from Texas? What's your name?" And he
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interesting to see the way he behaved to get his point across, you know.
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But really, he was so interested because he appreciated the number of hospitals we had in that
time, and what this Taft-Hartley exemption was gonna' mean to our hospitals and to tell you the
truth I don't remember what the outcome was, that’s the worst part.1

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Research by Mr. Michael Riley, provincial CFO, shows that the meeting probably
concerned whether hospitals sponsored by the Daughters of Charity might find it advantageous to
administer their individual pension plans as a group. On September 9, 1974 congress enacted the
Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) which codified federal law
pertaining to employee pension and welfare benefit plans.

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Sr. Dorothy Marie Hill [Excerpt]

Format:

Audio-Cassette (35-TC; #712)

Original Recording: August 26, 2003
Interviewer:

Sister Elaine Wheeler

Transcriber and date of transcription:

Elissa Armater, December 3, 2005

Which Daughter of Charity seemed to impress you most and sort of led you into the
Community?
No one Sister had any major influence. I applied. When I finally came to the
Community, I finished college at St. John’s [University], and I don’t know why I became
a Daughter of Charity. My ambition as I was finishing college was to be a cloistered nun,
and I approached in very tentative ways both the Carmelites and the Trappestines. I
really can’t at this length of time pin down why I became a Daughter of Charity. I
remember looking at the time. There were no Sisters [referring to the Daughters] in
Brooklyn or in New York. The whole difficulties between the black caps [Sisters of
Charity of New York] and the white caps had kept them away.
I remember looking up “Daughters of Charity” in the Catholic Encyclopedia and reading
that St. Vincent’s telling them that “The Poor shall be your Office.” One of my great
ambitions was to recite the Divine Office in choir as the cloistered sisters did, which was
one of the reasons I wanted to be a cloistered nun. And that saying, which I have never
seen any place else except that article in the Catholic Encyclopedia, impressed me very
much.
I joined the Community on September 8, 1951 as a postulant at Emmitsburg. We were
the first band that made our postulatum at Emmitsburg and there were 38 of us.
Postulatum was extremely disappointing to me. I had a very good time, but I felt as if I
was in boarding school with a whole bunch of young kids because I was a mature woman
at 21 and they were all 17 or 19!
The seminary was more satisfying. My father was in awe of the whole thing, but my
mother kept saying what a peculiar outfit this was. And she meant not just the clothing,
which she found very peculiar, but the entire outfit. Everything about it struck her as
funny or horrifying.
I received the habit in January of 1953 and went to Seton High School very soon after
that as my first mission. I spent 25 years teaching high school at Seton High School, at
Bishop England High School in Charleston, South Carolina; in Portsmouth [Virginia;
Portsmouth Catholic High School], in Syracuse [Cathedral Academy], in Petersburg
[Virginia; St. Joseph’s School], and in Emmitsburg [Maryland; St. Joseph’s High

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�School]. My 25 years of teaching were a delight. I enjoyed the subject matter, I enjoyed
the children, and I think I was fairly successful.
What subjects did you teach?
Mostly English and later Religion. I had other things, as we all do, but those were the
subjects I was prepared in and enjoyed teaching.
I gave you a list of places I was, and they were all high schools. Most of them, either the
Sisters aren’t teaching in the school anymore, as in Bishop England High School, or the
school is closed. When I was thinking about saying all this, I began to think about how
trendy my life has been. The closing of the schools that I attended and the schools I was
taught at is one of the big marks of the history of the Church in the United States during
these years, the 20’s through the 60’s. It certainly has affected my life but whether it has
been for the good of the Church or for its loss, we’re too close to to really come to any
well thought out conclusion, but my own history certainly does prove out.
One of the great turning points of my life came right about the time that I finished
thinking about teaching for 25 years. I went to Seton High School actually three times on
mission – my first mission and then in the 60’s again. When Vatican Council II was just
coming to an end – I think it ended in ’59?
I think it’s closer to ’62.
Sixty-two. At that time, when it was still in session, but very close to an end, I was at
Seton High School teaching English. Sister Enrica Federal was the principal, and Sister
Enrica, an innovator and very impulsive sort of person, and she decided it would be good
to institute a real religion department as an academic unit rather than as a frill, which it
was up to that time. Every Sister that had a home room taught religion, which meant that
you really had no professional religion teachers. She decided that it would be good to
make it an academic department and get a few people trained in the new trends that
would be coming with the end of Vatican II. She went around, and she asked people if
they’d like to study religion or theology. I had the sense to say yes, and three of us went.
It was very delightful experience and a soul changing, life changing experience. Three of
us from Seton High School in Baltimore went every Friday night by train. We went up to
New York City, stayed at Kennedy [Child Study] Center [where Daughters were
missioned], and on Saturday morning went up to Fordham [University] and took a course
with the Novak Brothers [Joseph and Vincent Novak], who were Jesuits who were trying
to form a Vatican II curriculum for high school religion departments. Every Saturday
morning for a semester, we went up there and listened to the Novaks.
One of the high points, one of the magnificent things that happened, one Saturday
morning, Vincent Novack brought in the New York Times for that morning, and he read
to us the unofficial translation of the Vatican document on the Liturgy. We were sitting
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�and listened to Vince Novak and cried like a baby because it was so – it fulfilled all the
aspirations and yearnings that I had had about Liturgy and what Liturgy should mean in
our lives. That was only one of the great excitements. And sure enough through the next
couple years, the religion classes at Seton became the equal of all the other classes and
we had a religion department with a faculty and tried to form a modern Vatican II
curriculum. Those days of the Council and of the post-Councillor changes – I don’t like
to call them changes because it’s a more profound conversion than just changes – were
probably the most exciting and hopeful optimistic days of my whole life because so many
of the wishes and dreams and ideals that were hardly expressed or hardly recognized
began to become true.
Sister Cecilia Geary and I in I think it was 1964 went out to St. Louis to the liturgical
conference, and it was the first time in the United States that a congregation, an assembly,
at Mass had recited the Our Father in unison in English. With a huge stadium type
meeting hall in St. Louis, so you had thousands of people all as excited as I was about
Vatican II saying the Our Father together. Again, it was this exciting high point in
individuals’ lives and in the life of the Church.
For me, one of the big effects of all of this Liturgy and Bible study – that’s when I got
into the Bible. I went to Catholic University for a couple summers in the religious
education department and had a few Bible courses and just fell into Bible study. I didn’t
go to school enough. I would have liked to have gone more, but I was not permitted to.
But I’ve been able to follow on my own Bible study, and I must say, it has so enthralled
me that, I’m more disciplined about Bible study than about any studying that I’ve ever
done in my whole life.
One of the effects of all this was that I came to the conclusion that I should not teach in
high school any more because the service of the poor became more and more important
and primary in my life. High school became more and more expensive so that the service
of the economically poor was almost impossible. That’s when I decided that I would try
change my ministry. I was lucky enough to come to the Northeastern Province where
Sister Mary Basil [Roarke] at the time was the Provincial. She looked very kindly on
those sorts of aspirations. So without too much ceremony, I was able to go to St. Mary’s
Parish in Troy [New York] to become a Parish Associate.
I went to St. Mary’s – I forget the year [1973-74 school year] – but it was the year St.
Mary’s School closed, which was extremely traumatic on everybody because St. Mary’s
for the Community was such an old mission. Sisters had been teaching there for 150
years or something since 1848. That hundred and more years had become so traditional,
and for the Parish, the institution of the school was one of their great prides. They gave it
up not just with reluctance but with hostility. That year in which the school closed was
very traumatic, but it was a very happy year for me, because we had priests in the parish
at the time who were very anxious to form a team ministry and to share ministry not just
among themselves but with the whole Parish. We formed a team ministry of priests and
sisters and lay people, seven people all together. I remained at St. Mary’s for six years.
It was, for me, a very happy experience.

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�Because of the freedom of that team ministry and the members of the team, I was able to
minister in very untraditional ways. We did the traditional things. One of the joys was
that I taught the First Communion class. I became sort of a a paralegal, an advocate for
people on welfare, food stamps, SSI – Social Security – what have you, to help them
negotiate those systems. These were the poorest of the poor, and Troy was rich in poor
people. Again, it was a turning point in my life to discover the poor and to discover the
joy. St. Vincent said, “The poor are my burden and my sorrow,” and I found that to be
true, but I also found it to be true that the poor were my joy and my delight.
As that period of my life ended, I was missioned to Boston to Laboure Center in South
Boston. I was supposed to work there, but somehow I just didn’t fit in. I didn’t fit into
South Boston, and I didn’t fit in very well to the work of Laboure Center. Just by
accident, truly – I’m sure not accident, but providence, but it seemed very casual at the
time – I met a group of people who were interested in serving the homeless, and we
became friends, and eventually just very sweetly it worked out that we started a shelter
for homeless families, the fist shelter for homeless families in Boston. Sister Adele
Waters was part of the circle, and the other four founders were a Jesuit priest and three
young graduate school students all in their twenties, very wise, very charming young
people [According to the National Jesuit News, the three other founders were Father
Andrew Sedensky, S.J., Patti Muldoon, and Mike Whelan].
By guess and by gosh, we managed to find the money to find a building, a parish rectory
in Roxbury in Boston and to start Sojourner House. S-O-U-J-O-U-R-N-E-R, Sojourner.
It was named for Sojourner Truth, one of the great heroines of the abolition movement
and of Women’s Rights in 19th Century America. It was also named in honor of the
Biblical concept of the Sojourner. In the Book of Deuteronomy, it speaks of the
Sojourner in your midst that Israel must always look out for the Sojourner and take care
of the Sojourner and not oppress the Sojourner even though that Sojourner is far from
being an Israelite.
That again was another high point in my life because we were penetrating further into the
depths of poverty and into the depths of the wealth of the poor and the straights to which
poverty can drive people.
We finally, I think it was the fourth year of operation, when we realized we had a budget
of $150,000. Up to that point, we had a few small grants, but mostly it was free will
donations. I might mention here that both the Jesuits and Daughters of Charity gave the
services of their members free. The Daughters of Charity never demanded any kind of
salary or compensation and neither did the Jesuits for the work of the Jesuit priests.
I spent six years working without a salary at Sojourner House. Actually, I asked to be
missioned, because I knew if I stayed there much longer I wouldn’t be able to leave.
What kind of people came to Sojourner House?

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�Homeless families. Generally women and children. The husbands and fathers were
either non-existent or were very shy about coming to live in a family shelter. So in
general, it was women and their children who came. We did have a couple of fathers in
the course of the years. These were people who were... At the time, the homeless
problem in Boston was growing by leaps and bounds. The rental housing was becoming
exorbitantly expensive. There was a great deal of gentrification of parts of Boston that
had been low income. The rate of vacancy in rental housing was estimated at one
percent, which meant that actually there wasn’t any. So that there were many, many
families who were either doubled up with relatives or friends in horrible circumstances or
actually living on the streets.
We had one very beautiful young woman who came to us who was unmarried and had a
child about 18 months old when she came to our house. When I asked her how long she
had been homeless, she told us she had been homeless since she left the hospital with the
baby. I said, “What did you do with a newborn baby and no place to go?” She said, “Oh,
I left her here and there.”
We had another woman who had two small children who was in somewhat the same
straights. She used to leave her children at McDonald’s. She would go in and buy food
and then leave them there and go about whatever business she had. One of the problems
with being homeless is that, at the time, it was very hard for people to get welfare if they
were homeless because the welfare system in its wisdom wouldn’t give them rent money
because they were homeless and therefore they didn’t have to pay rent! So they ended up
with literally nothing. To negotiate the ins and outs of welfare is a full-time job. These
were the sorts of people that were referred to us. What happened was that we came to
know the workers in the welfare department, and they would refer people to us that they
were not able to help. So it was the lowest aspect of the welfare system were the people
who were referred to us, and they were treated in exactly that way, as the lowest kind of
human being.
Sojourner House was a residential shelter in that we stayed open all the time. Nobody
had to leave at 8 o’clock in the morning or anything like that because they were children,
or the vast majority. We could only accommodate only six families at a time. We had
part of a very old large old rectory, St. Joseph’s in Roxbury. People had all their meals
there. When we finally managed to help them to get on welfare, they would give us a
portion of their welfare money, which we banked for them so that they would have some
kind of seed money when they were finally able to find a place to live. Our hope was that
people would stay about three months, but it ended up that they had to stay six months or
more because of the shortage of rental housing.
I went from Sojourner House in Boston to Syracuse and really didn’t find a niche in
Syracuse either. I lived in Syracuse and commuted to Cortland [New York], which is
about 25 miles south of Syracuse and worked in a soup kitchen. I was part-time for the
soup kitten and part-time for Catholic Charities food pantry. That was satisfying, but it
was sort of a comedown from Sojourner House because it wasn’t as – nothing was as
acute as the homelessness that gave rise to Sojourner House.

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�Is Sojourner House still functioning?
Sojourner House is still functioning. There are no Sisters or priests involved in the
administration any more. It’s become totally lay. It’s independent. We incorporated, so
it’s Sojourner House, Inc., and it’s independent. As far as I know it’s still functioning. I
haven’t had any contact there in three or four years.
I stayed at Cortland for about six years. The soup kitchen was in the Episcopalian
Church in Cortland and I was fortunate enough to become very good friends with the
rector of the Church and his wife [The soup kitchen was called “Loaves and Fishes.” It
was located at “Grace &amp; Holy Spirit Episcopal Church.” The rector of the church was
Rev. William James Greer II]. They were very, very dear people. One of the high points
of my stay in Cortland was that we formed an ecumenical prayer group. There was a
Lutheran minister, a bachelor, and myself, and for a while one of the priests of St. Mary’s
Parish in Cortland, and a few other people. We tried to meet once a month for an hour’s
prayer session, which was very delightful because we all came from such different
prospectives and were able to pray together and talk together in very intimate ways.

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ORAL HISTORY OF SISTER NANETTE GENTILE, D.C.
INTERVIEWED BY SISTER HELEN BREWER, D.C.
RECORDED JULY 2019
I am Sister Nanette Gentile. I was born September 10, 1933 to Sarah and Peter Gentile. I am the oldest
of three girls, Kathleen who is now Mrs. Ed Sheridan and Patricia who is now Mrs. David Hurst. A threeyear-old boy was born after me and he died of meningitis so that was a sad time in our family.
So, tell us a little bit about your childhood. You have no living brothers; you grew up with sisters.
I grew up in a very happy household. My mother and dad were always there for us as were my
grandparents. We lived with my grandparents and we did things together and had fun together and I
remember even taking a long trip to New York for the World’s Fair. I was in an organdy dress – that was
not comfortable, but I remember it. [laughter]
You remember the dress and then you ended up wearing the big hat! Do you have other childhood
memories that you can think of?
My mother had a very large family. She had three sisters and four brothers and I grew up with them. At
every holiday we celebrated together. At Christmas time we played poker until the wee hours of the
morning on New Year’s Eve. We danced together. I learned to dance at every Italian wedding there
was. I felt like I had a very happy childhood, very grateful for it.
Imagine the Italian weddings. Were there other Italian customs and things that you grew up with that
were particularly important?
Well, I remember at Christmas time, at the end of Advent – because we always fasted – we had certain
rituals. Before midnight Mass, we would have little panini with little fishes in them, and then after
Midnight Mass, we had meat in them. There was always something special that my grandmothers
made. My grandniece got married a year ago and at her wedding, I said, “Where’s the pecans, the
covered pecans that the Italians always had?” She didn’t have those. So we had all those little rituals. It
was good.
Some are being carried on in the next generation, some, not all.
What about your vocation story? How did you meet the Daughters and were you young…?”
Well, I went to a public school for my first six years of education. Then I transferred to St. Philip Neri
School [in St. Louis] for seventh and eighth grades, and the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet taught at
that school. I enjoyed school, and I enjoyed my family. We’d go to Mass at St. Philip Neri on Sunday,
and the Daughters of Charity taught at a high school near us, Labouré High School. They would come to
their second Mass at St. Philip Neri ,and I would see them in the cornette and say, “I would never be
caught dead wearing that!”
I went to Labouré High School, I joined the Legion of Mary, and I did my service projects going with the
Sisters to visit the chronic hospital in St. Louis, and I learned that there were very poor people. So I
wanted to give my life to helping people. I became a postulant in 1951 and I was at St. Philomena’s in
St. Louis. In December – in those days we had a very short postulancy – I transferred and became a
Seminary Sister at Marillac Provincial House.

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Did you come to the Daughters right after high school?
I came to the Daughters in August, right after high school.
So you went to the Seminary…
And spent a year as a novice. And then at the end of that, I was asked to study to prepare for getting a
college degree. So they sent me to my very first mission, St. Patrick School in LaSalle, Illinois and I taught
the fourth and fifth grade.
And you didn’t receive your degree yet? You went right out to teach. Is that correct?
Right. I was in the process of getting the degree but didn’t have it yet. And in fact, after two years they
sent me to St. Vincent School in Perryville, Missouri, so I could ride on Saturdays to St. Louis so that I
could take courses at Marillac College.
Quite a few Sisters did that as well as well, I think, did they not?
Yes, I always had company in the car. One of the older boys of the parish drove us every Saturday, very
faithful to picking us up and bringing us home. In Perryville I taught fourth and fifth grade but also the
eighth grade boys. The custom was in Lent on Fridays we would take the kids to the seminary church
which was down the block and go to Stations [of the Cross]. Well, I began with maybe thirty boys and
ended up with five, because they would all run away! [laughter] I loved my missions and I loved both
places.
Eventually I became a full-time student. They sent me to Montreal to study French and then I also
studied Spanish at St. Louis University, and I taught at Marillac College for twelve years.
Why did they ask you to go into languages?
Because they needed a language teacher, and I happened to be good at it when I was taking my
preparatory courses at Marillac College. At home I heard Italian. I didn’t have an academic knowledge of
Italian, but I heard it, so I was comfortable. I had an ear for languages.
I remember one funny event, it wasn’t so funny then, in Montreal. The people weren’t used to the
Sisters. There were a lot of Sisters – it was a Catholic population – but they weren’t used to the
cornette. I had to take four buses to get to the University of Montreal and they would call me Sputnik
and Dumbo the Elephant. I remember that. I learned a lot because the Sisters only spoke French. I feel
like I’m more fluent in French because I really had to navigate. I had to do it.
After that, when I came back, I was still studying at the University and I was named to be the Seminary
Directress. That means being in charge of our recruits, our novices. I did that for six years, and while I
did it, I commuted to Perryville, Missouri where I taught languages to the Vincentian seminarians. That
was a delightful experience because I was the first woman to accept that position.
It was a groundbreaker.
Yeah, and they tested me at first, trying to throw little paper airplanes until I told them, “OK, boys, this is
the end.” [laughter]
This is not fourth grade!

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But it was fun.
After Directress, I went to San Antonio, Texas where I worked in a Mexican-American parish as a DRE
[Director of Religious Education]. I loved it there because the people were so intent on doing the right
thing for their families. Unfortunately, I did not stay there long. I was named to be a Provincial
Councillor and after that, I became the Visitatrix of the Province.
Did you pick up more Spanish when you were in San Antonio?
When I was in San Antonio, I used Spanish more. I finally got my degrees around 1972 and then later in
1974 when I got one in French and one in Spanish.
But never in Italian?
Never in Italian. But, I was Seminary Directress and also Provincial Councillor, they sent me to the varied
congregational meetings that we had in Rome and also in Paris and in Toronto. I had to do Italian the
first time because they didn’t have an Italian translator. So I did do it. A lot of times I listened to the
French and then translated it into Italian. They only asked me to do that one time. Generally, I
translated from French and Spanish into English. That was just a very meaningful experience in my life.
And a lot of work, I bet.
And a lot of work.
Now when you were Councillor, those were the days when they were specialized. I recall health,
education…
I was Formation Councillor. I had been Seminary Directress, so I continued to work with the Sisters who
were preparing for vows and also preparing programs for continuing formation for all of the Sisters. So I
worked with teams, all kinds of committees, went to many intercongregational meetings in St. Louis and
elsewhere to work with others in formation programs.
Then you became the Vis.
Then I became Visitatrix.
How was that?
How was that? I enjoyed going to all the missions and seeing what the Sisters were doing and how
many services they were giving to the poor, no matter where they were or what they were doing. The
Sisters always evinced a great passion for their service, and that kept them going and kept the province
going. I felt like we were very healthy because the Sisters were responding to our newer call to be who
we are.
So that was a great gift.
That was a great gift. I learned a lot from the Sisters. I remember with one of the Seminary Sisters, she
very frankly told me that they were not fifth graders and so I was to talk to them like adults. [laughter]
Good point!

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I learned much from the people I lived with and also the ones I visited interactively. It was an awesome
time as Visitatrix because it was a time when we were beginning to discern should we keep this large
Provincial House that serves 200 people and we’re not getting that many recruits. Can we continue the
upkeep and the expense? So we had to go into a two year discernment with the whole Province.
Fortunately, the folks from UMSL, the University of Missouri in St. Louis, wanted to expand their
campus, so they were really eager to buy the Provincial House. We were so fortunate.
Very lucky.
It’s a very healthy operation now – still education – and for the lower-income folks getting degrees.
That was just such a great blessing, and I’m grateful for that.
One more item while you were Visitatrix and you talked about your formation. One of the things that I
remember is the LIM [Loyola Institute for Ministry] Program for the young Sisters. I think that was a big
piece of what you installed as well. Do you want to talk about that?
We worked with Loyola in New Orleans. They had a program where they taught trainers, and trainers
worked with the attendees in the local areas. We had our young Sisters there but we also invited folks
in who were more experienced to dialogue with them because it wasn’t just a head program, it was a
heart and service program. It was an opportunity for them to hear the experiences of other people.
And I think you were part of that [points to Sister Helen].
I was and that’s why I was in touch with it. But I think it was an excellent program because one of the
things was many of the younger Sisters didn’t have a lot of theology in their training so it helped out.
Yes, definitely.
OK, so you weren’t Vis forever. What happened next?
Then I went to the Seton Family of Hospitals in Austin, Texas. I worked in the Education Department for
a long time. I learned how to do my-- I could fax things myself, I could copy things myself. I didn’t have
a secretary, so I learned all these wonderful, practical skills. Then they put me as the Vice President for
Mission Integration, and I worked in leadership formation, almost like a spiritual direction individually
with the executive staff.
Oh, the executives mostly.
That was a good opportunity. Then I was asked to come to St. Louis and be Sister Servant of one of the
groups here at the Sarah Community, the Assisted Living Groups. Well, that’s what I thought, and then
they gave me all the groups!
That was a trick! [laughter]
I did it for four years, but just walking from one end of the building to another was enough of a
challenge for me to say, “That’s really all I can do!” But I love the Sisters, and when I think back on my
ministries – working with the children, they were spontaneous and fun. You never knew what they were
going to do.
Especially with eighth grade boys.

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Yes. With the Mexican Americans, I always admired that they would do anything for their families. They
worked very hard. In the health care, the executives wanted to be people of integrity because they
wanted to serve the mission and the poor like the Daughters. They were very sincere about that. In the
international level, there were so many diverse people who had all kinds of ideas and ways that we
should be serving the poor, and I learned from them. I was always appreciative of all the people that I
worked with. So, when I think back, I always said if I had stayed as a good Italian-American girl, I would
have married and had ten kids, and that would have been OK. But I feel that in the community, I have
been given much in the way of education, in the way of opportunity, in the way of grace. I’m a person
right now, thank God, who is very grateful. So when people say, “How are you doing?” I say, “I can’t
complain about anything.”
That’s a great gift. I’m just going to say, I think you missed one thing; when you were in Austin, you also
worked with the Ladies of Charity, one of the very special groups.
Yes, one of the Mission Integration person at Providence in Waco asked me to work with the Ladies of
Charity in Harper Heights. Oh my! What a diverse and loving group. I did that, and then I worked with
other-- the Vincent de Paul Society in Austin and also another group of Ladies of Charity. I loved every
minute of that, too.
They were a great group.
Yes.
Is there anything else you want to add for history’s sake? Do you think you’ve covered it?
I think I’ve covered it. I want to continue to learn from the people I live with. I think because I was in
leadership for a long time, the tendency was working with people. But now I’m not in leadership so I
want to be more with people and learn from them. I do that by praying to the Holy Spirit all the time.
One of the things I think here is, now that you’re at Sarah, we’re at Sarah, and you mentioned diversity a
number of times. The whole idea that we are here at the Sarah community, not just with Daughters, but
with other communities, and lay people. Even men are here, so what is your response to that experience
that we are having now?
That’s a great gift.
I think so, too.
It’s a great gift. Again, I learned from the experiences of all the ninety-year-olds that are here, whether
they are lay or religious and what they experienced, and how they lived, and what they lived through.
And then our staff. It’s such a delight to be in the dining room in the evening and have our food served.
But to be served by young people who are just beginning, and who, in a sense, look to us for support
and we give it. I mean our ministry of prayer is so filled with opportunity that can’t begin to pin it down.
Right.
So, God is good.
God is good. I agree. Thank you, Nanette. This was excellent, very inspiring as well to hear. Thank you.

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                    <text>REMEMBRANCE OF MY YOUTH
by
Sister Angelita Mombrado
I was born in the village of Rippoli, the diocese of Bick, Province of Barcelona,
Spain on the seventh of August, 1833. I was baptized in St. Maria’s church on the eighth
of the same month and confirmed the following week. My parents were born and
married in the same village. My father’s name was John Mombrado and my mother’s
was Margarita Castain. My father was a confectioner by trade and that was his favorite
occupation. He had a special affection for his little family.
My parents were good and industrious Christians. God blessed their marriage
with a family of three sons and four daughters. I was the first daughter and when scarcely
eighteen months old used to give a great deal of trouble by going up and down the stairs
and running over to see my grandmother who lived right opposite our place. One day
while going down the stairs I fell and was seriously injured. I was very sick for some
time. My parents were much grieved for they thought I would die. Every thing was
prepared for my burial; and here I am today at the age of eighty-three a long way from
my country.
I remember my mother used to tell me it cost a great deal of gold to save me and
that I was cured by a miracle. I often think how grateful I ought to be to God for having
given me such good parents.
After my recovery I would not sit any place but on the floor. They used to buy
every kind of char and fancy stool for me to sit on, but I would not, for fear I would fall.
When I was able to walk again and my mother saw I was growing strong and healthy, she
put me in a school with the Nuns. The first lesson they gave me was in knitting
stockings; that is the custom in Spain. The Nuns kept school in a private house because
the persecutors had burned their convent. They used to iron the Church linens beautifully
and I watched them instead of knitting. I was then about four years old.
My mother was very pious. It must have been her prayers that obtained my cure.
She used to take me to Mass every morning. One day she took me to see the ruins of the
Nuns’ convent, so that I would remember it when I grew up.
Very soon there was a war of the Carlos party in Spain and I remember a great
many people came to our house to place themselves under the protection of our Blessed
Mother, as we had an oratory. I was at this time about five years of age. The troops of
soldiers came into our house ready to shoot anyone they met. My mother was confined
to her bed with an infant three days old. The soldiers threw her out of her sick bed and
injured her so badly that she was never well again. My dear father was hidden down in
the cellar behind some barrels. The soldiers went down but did not find him. If they had

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�found him they would have killed him. My mother, with all the invalids was taken to the
church. My sisters and I were with our grandmother.
After three days one of the good officers of the army approached my mother,
asking her if he could do anything for her. My mother said, “Yes you can do something
for me, but will you do it?” He said he would. Three times she asked him the same
question, for she feared he would not do it. Then he said, “I give you my word.” My
mother then said, “My husband has been in the cellar for the past three days and nights,
bring him to me.” The officer went and called my father from a window opening on the
street. As my father did not answer he called him by name, saying, “Come out I know
you are there, your wife sent me for you.” My father came out wrapped in a black cloak
and said, “My life for the love of God.” The officer led him to the Church pretending he
was an invalid. Then my family left the city and went to a village to live with a family
who were our friends.
My mother was so ill that she has no nourishment for the infant and when passing
over the river on the way to the village she dipped up some water in her hand and gave it
to the baby. They were unable to find out what happened to the other four children.
My brother was stripped of his beautiful velvet suit and left naked in the street;
some of the soldiers wanted to kill him but the others said, “No we have what we want.”
My sister and I were with our grandmother. In passing through the streets we saw the
dead bodies of the victims lying about in thick streams of blood. My father’s store which
was one of the finest was entirely destroyed and he was never able to recover it.
When we all got together again we went to Barcelona. Every little while war
would break out and we would be obligated to leave the city in order to save our lives.
My mother put me in school but it was of no use; the war would break out and the teacher
would tell us to run home. So I had very little opportunity to continue school.
I was hardly eight years old when my mother died. Already capable of feeling
this sacrifice, it seemed to me that our Lord had some special design upon me. When I
was about twelve years of age, I made my first Communion in the church of St.
Augustine, in Barcelona. It was the day the children of the Parish made their First
Communion. I went to confession and the pastor asked me if I had made my First
Communion. I said, “ No Father.” He took me into the sacristy and after examining me
told me I could make my First Communion. I was delighted and my father was very
much pleased and relieved. He would always remind me to go to Confession on my
Feast Day and to go to Catechism in the Church. I remember when in Catechism class
my name was very often called for a premium but I was too proud to go for it for fear it
was not my name as they never spelled it correctly.
Oh, my Saviour it makes me tremble when I think of what my parents went
through during the persecution in Spain. My father must have suffered much for the sake
of his family during the time he was hidden in the cellar. He loved our Blessed Mother
very much and it was on the feast of her Immaculate Conception, at the age of sixty-two,
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�that he died. My brother wrote me that my father’s last words were, that he died happy to
leave one of his children consecrated to the service of God. That makes me think that he
is in heaven praying for me. He passed through so much; how great is my sympathy for
my parents! They were obliged to leave our native village and go to a strange country.
As young as I was (five years old) I remember when we arrived in Barcelona we had no
shelter for my poor sick mother. I do not recall if we had anything to eat during our
journey. At last my father found a lady whom he knew and who had lived in our village.
She gave us hospitality until my father found a location.
Some time after that, wars broke out in Spain, especially in the city of Barcelona.
Once a bomb fell on our house while we were at dinner and we had to run to the stable to
save ourselves. Sometimes we were obliged to leave the city and got to some hole in a
brick yard. We could see the bombs flying to destroy the city. Oh, my Divine Saviour,
what calamities I have witnessed in my unfortunate country, constantly in trouble. Often
we had to climb to the mountains for safety.
After my mother died my father’s health began to fail. As I was too young to take
care of him, he married an excellent lady, who was very good to him. I was put with a
lady who kept a private school so I could learn something useful. My father was not able
to pay but the lady kept me and I took care of her little boy. She was very good to me. I
was with her five years. From her servant girl, who was very good and pious, I learned
much about Nuns. I liked to listen to her; it recalled the days when I went to school to
them and watched them iron the linens. I thought I would like to be a Nun after hearing
so much of them from the servant girl. I used to dress like one in my play. I began to
have a great esteem for Religious and it was my delight to hear them sing Mass. I took
many a long walk just to pass the convent in the hope of seeing them. My father also
liked to hear them sing the Mass; he was a musician and taught me vocal music when I
was at home.
The servant girl made a deep impression on me. She was instrumental in
discovering my vocation, for after that I had no other desire than to be a religious and
give myself entirely to God. I knew that in order to become a Nun it was necessary to
have a large sum of money. My father could not possibly give it to me; but I trusted in
Divine Providence. I began to pray that I might know how to communicate my desire to
my father. My opportunity came on the twenty-eighth of August, Feast of St. Augustine.
It was Sunday and my father took me for a walk along the seashore. We were conversing
about the beauty of the sea. I had a great horror of the sea, and my father knew it but he
said, “I want to take you to a beautiful place across the water.” I replied, “Oh, no, no,
papa, please.” Then changing the subject, I asked, “ Papa would you like to have one of
your daughters a religious?” He looked at me then said, “Yes I would on condition that
she would be faithful in corresponding to her obligations.” He was acquainted with the
duties of Religious, most of his friends being Priests. His answer made a deep
impression on me but I replied that I thought I would be faithful if I were to become a
Religious since God would help me. He said no more but we continued our walk. After
a while I asked him to take me to a convent that I might speak to a Superioress. He took
me and I told the Superioress my intention and the difficulty concerning the money. She
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�made me sing; I sang the Immaculate Conception hymn, and she was much pleased with
my voice and told me to learn to play music then I would be received. A friend of the
Nuns was to take care of all my needs. But the Divine Master had other designs. I was
trying to learn music but I feared it would take too long, so I thought I had better apply to
the Sisters of Charity. The Sister Superioress knew me as I had visited her before with a
friend who had joined the Community. I told her my desire and she said she would write
to the Provincial House in Madrid. I waited anxiously for the answer. When I thought it
had arrived I returned to the Sisters’ house but it happened that the Superioress was
paying the nurses and sent word for me to come back the next week. O, my Saviour this
was the Will of God. It was my first trial but I was not discouraged. I lived in hopes that
Divine Providence would enlighten me.
I continued to study. The priest who instructed me was a zealous religious and
relative of ours. One day he told me that Bishop Amat had arrived from Rome and was
in the city looking for students to take with him to California. In fun I asked, “ Is he
looking for girls too.” He said, “Oh, I do not know about that.” What did he do but go
and tell the Bishop what I had said. The Bishop told him to send me to him. The next day
when I went for my lesson he told me Bishop Amat wished to see me. I said, “Oh, no, I
do not go to see Bishops,” but he insisted, urging that he was related to us. I still refused
but he continued to insist until I finally yielded.
As soon as the Bishop saw me he asked if I would like to go to California with
him. Without thinking I said, “ Yes if my father and my confessor will consent.” I did
not think he was in earnest. My father was very sick, so I told him I could not ask his
consent just then.
The Bishop went through the country looking for students and I continued to wait
for a reply from Madrid. When he returned he sent for me and asked me again if I would
like to go with him. He had two other girls so that encouraged me. My father was better
and I began thinking how I should ask his permission, as there was no time to lose. At
last I took courage and asked, “ Papa will you permit me to go with Bishop Amat to
California.” He said, “No what are you thinking about? Do you think going to California
is like going to Gracia (a place to which we often walked) – you must go by sea.” I told
him I was no longer afraid of the sea but he still refused. I went to ask my confessor and
he said the same, arguing that I could do good in my own country. I pleaded that I was
very anxious and that I felt a hand pushing me as if our Lord wanted me to go. Then he
said he would give me three days to think it over, but the Bishop was to sail in two days
and I told him so. Then he said, “I see that you are determined.” Then he gave me his
blessing. I went to see my instructor and told him that my father would not consent. He
went to see him and told him not to prevent me for it might cause him sorrow later. My
father called me and said, “My child I cannot give you my consent, neither can I prevent
you from going. You will have many trials, contradictions and sufferings, then you will
blame me for letting you go.” I do not know where I got the strength to answer him, but I
told him that whatever sufferings came to me I would take as coming from the Hand of
God and never blame him for them. He could say no more but began to weep. He came
with me to see Bishop Amat and the good Bishop encouraged him, telling him not to fret
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�about me, I would be all right. He told me we were to leave after Mass at which he
would give us Holy Communion.
It was too much for my dear father to see to my passport so I asked my cousin to
attend to it. As for myself, I felt very brave. It was the Hand of God that supported me.
Very early the next morning, which was Sunday, my stepmother, my sister and
my brother accompanied me to the Bishop’s residence. The good Bishop said Mass
immediately, after which we had a cup of chocolate and started off. My folks wanted to
enter the vessel but I would not let them. My father did not accompany me as he was too
much grieved.
We left the city of Barcelona on the twenty-third of April, in the year eighteen
fifty-five. It was the second Sunday after Easter and the feast of the Translation of Relics
of St. Vincent de Paul. It was the year that Spain celebrated the Dogmatic Proclamation
of the Immaculate Conception. The celebration in our parish Church took place the day I
embarked so I did not have the happiness of assisting but I was able to attend the service
in some other churches and they were all very grand.
I no longer had any fear of the sea but we had hardly entered the vessel when I
began to be seasick. I did not know what was the matter with me as I had never been in a
boat before. The Bishop soon perceived that I was sick and asked me if I wanted to go
back. I told him my sacrifice was made already and I was going to continue the journey.
Then he told me that if I died at sea I would be thrown overboard and be eaten by the
fishes. I asked him if it was not the same to be eaten by fishes as by worms. He laughed
and told me I was all right. I thought God would take care of me and if I should die I
would be a martyr and go to heaven. Oh, how grateful I should be to God for having
given me courage, for what would have become of me if I had not listened to His voice.
When we arrived in Marseilles the Bishop went to arrange for the celebration of
Mass. He took us to the English Consul who asked us if we were being forced to go; we
told we were going voluntarily. In the evening we left for Lyons. From Lyons we went
to Havre, where the good Bishop took us to the Sisters’ house. They were just taking the
children to the Parish Church for May devotions, so we went with them. When we
returned the Sisters gave us our supper and then we went to bed and had a good rest. The
next morning the Bishop said Mass in the Chapel. We spent the day with the Sisters.
They very kindly showed us the building. In one class room I saw about three hundred
little children, one of them just three years old, and only one Sister teaching them. Little
did I think I would be doing the same after some years. Later in the day we started for
Paris. We spent the night on the train. I dreamed I saw a very pretty Sister of Charity. I
had never seen the Sisters with the Cornette except in pictures; for in Spain at that time
they did not wear the Cornette. I have heard they do now.
We arrived in Paris at half past five. We were in a hack and as we drove through
the street we saw a Sister of Charity. The Bishop told me she was going to see the
Superiors. The Bishop took us to La Maison de la Providence and the pretty Sister I had
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�seen in my dreams opened the door for us. I did not see her again although we stayed
sometime in that house.
Our Bishop went to St. Lazarre to see O.M.H. F. Etienne to ask him where it
would be best for us to make our Seminary. O.M.H. F. told him in the U.S. as we could
learn the English language.
We remained in Paris to begin our postulatum until our Bishop was ready to sail.
One day when the Bishop came to see us a Sister was in the parlor counting vestments.
The Bishop remarked how busily she was working for the Missioners and told me to pay
attention for I might have to do the same some day and so I did.
During our stay in Paris I began to understand the French sermons and I was
wishing that we might remain there. But the good Bishop had brought me from Spain to
go to California so I had to keep my word and follow the designs of God.
On the sixteenth day of May we started for the United States in company with the
Bishop, Father Surrentin [Sorrentini], and the students. The previous day the Sisters had
Forty Hours Devotion, and I asked to be allowed to stay up all night but they wouldn’t let
me since I had to travel the next day.
We had a frightful storm. The ship was nearly upset. I was very sick but not
discouraged. I thought of nothing but the Holy Will of God. It was May and I am sure
Our Blessed Mother protected us and enabled me to survive the long journey. Oh! how
grateful I should be to God for what would have become of me if I had not listened to his
voice.
The good Bishop thought I was going to die. I passed ten days without eating or
drinking anything. One day a student came to see me and told me they had had beans for
dinner. I said, “Oh, you had beans for dinner; bring me some.” They brought me the
beans and from that time I began to eat and to regain my strength.
We arrived in New York on the Wednesday of Ember Week. The good Bishop
took us to the Spanish Hotel and told us to eat our breakfast. The young Students made
fun of me because I ate such a good breakfast. I told them not to bother me as I had been
fasting long enough.
After breakfast the Bishop sent the Students to the Seminary in Germantown. We
girls remained in New York all day with the Bishop.
In the evening I was sitting by the window and I saw a church all illuminated. I
thought I would like to go to the church for a little while. I asked Father Surrentin
[Sorrentini] and he went laughing to the Bishop to inquire of him what kind of postulants
he had brought – they wanted to go to the Protestant Church.

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�We next went to Philadelphia. Bishop Amat took us to Sister Gonzaga. She
received us very kindly. Sister had known the Bishop as he had been many years in
Philadelphia before he was consecrated. He left us with the Sisters and went to stay with
his friend, Mr. Lopez, a Spanish gentleman who had married an American lady.
The Lopez family wished us to take dinner with them, so on the feast of the Most
Holy Trinity the Bishop asked Sister Gonzaga to send us to St. John’s Church for Mass
and afterward they took us to their home. It was the feast of the Most Holy Trinity and
we had a grand dinner with our Bishop, Father Surrentin [Sorrentini], the Pastor, and the
Lopez family….
As soon as we were ready Bishop Amat came for us and we started for Baltimore.
Sister Euphemia received us kindly and gave us dinner in the parlor with our good
Bishop. In the evening Sister sent us to Mount Hope Retreat to spend the night. On the
morning of the third of June we left for Emmitsburg. Very Rev. Francis Burlando, our
beloved Father, and Mother Regina received our good Bishop and us very kindly.
On the fifth of June we entered the Seminary. Sister Valentine, Directress, was
extremely kind to us notwithstanding our inability to speak English.
During my Seminary I was often sick due to the change of climate, but I was
never discouraged; I felt happy to be in the Community.
Before our Bishop left he gave us an instruction on perseverance. I am the only
one of the three who persevered. I thank my dear Lord and I hope it will be so to the end.
I kept the words of our dear Bishop and I remembered that he told us that when he was a
novice he had a temptation to leave and he went to the Superior to tell him. When he
knocked at the door the Superior did not hear him so the Bishop went away and the
temptation left him. He never thought of leaving again. The Bishop was Spanish and a
true son of St. Vincent. He had to leave Spain on account of the Revolution.
We received the Holy Habit on October thirteenth, in honor of St. Therese. Sister
Directress said I told her I had a sister named Therese. We remained only a short time in
the Mother House as the Bishop was anxious to start for his diocese.
We started early on the morning of the eighteenth of October. There were five of
us – three Spanish sisters and two of the three American sisters whom the Superiors had
generously given for the California Mission. They were Sister Scholastica and Sister
Ann. Sister Corsina was already in San Francisco.
The whole Community was at Mass. The Sisters sang “Soldiers of Christ Arise.”
After Mass our lamented Father Burlando gave us his blessing and to each Sister, an
umbrella.
We had to go to New York in order to take the Steamer for California. When we
arrived in New York Bishop Amat met us and took us to the hotel where we met thirteen
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�nuns who were to travel with us as far a Panama. They were going to establish a school
in Chile. Three Jesuit Fathers were also coming with us to California.
We encountered a very bad storm at sea. The steamer was packed and all of the
people were sea sick, even the sailors. I threw myself in a corner and lay down –
Cornette and all. When I was able to rise a man offered me some brandy and I refused it.
On our arrival in Panama the Nuns found they had missed the steamer for Chile.
It distressed them very much to have to remain in Panama for the next steamer as they
feared the Yellow Fever. We were fortunate enough to have to wait only a few hours.
On the Pacific we had a dreadful time. They put us on deck with a crowd of
people. It was so hot we could scarcely breathe. Dear Sister Scholastica went to the
Bishop and asked for another place for she feared we would get sick. The good Bishop
obtained from the captain a nice place. He also lent his own room for Mass. We had
Mass and Holy Communion on Sunday. We made our Confessions sitting beside the
Bishop in the midst of the crowd. The stewardess, who was a Catholic, was very kind to
us and told us to ask for whatever we needed. Every afternoon she brought us a pie.
We arrived in San Francisco at five o’clock in the morning on November
fifteenth. Father Gallagher came to meet the Jesuit Fathers and kindly took us to the
Sisters. They were just going to Mass so we went with them. Father Gallagher took the
Bishop to see the Archbishop Alamany.
Sister Francis McEnnis received us and when we came from Mass we had our
breakfast. You can imagine what a sight we were after being one month at sea without
changing our clothes. We did not wear the Cornette during our journey but only the
bonnet and hoods. When the children saw us they did not think we were Sisters of
Charity until we came down clean and dressed up.
Bishop Amat brought the Archbishop to see us. Our Bishop brought the Pallium
to Archbishop Alamany. Bishop Amat was consecrated in Rome on the eleventh of
March, 1854. Our Holy Father, Pope Pius IX, had given him the body of St. Viviana for
his diocese on condition that he would build the Cathedral in her honor. A number of
Bishops had asked for this body but it was in the designs of Divine Providence that
Bishop Amat should have it for he had not even asked for it. He brought it with him from
Rome to Paris, where he had it fixed with wax. This Saint came all the way to California
with us. Her body was first taken to Santa Barbara where the people received it with
great pomp. It remained there for some time and when the church in Santa Barbara was
burned, the body was removed to Los Angeles and placed in the old Church.
The Cathedral was consecrated on the second Sunday after Easter, April thirtieth,
by Archbishop Alamany, who came from San Francisco for that purpose. Bishop Amat
being then too feeble. In the afternoon of the same day the Translation of the Saint’s
body took place. There were enough people to form a procession from the old Church to
the Cathedral.
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�The building of the Cathedral cost Bishop Amat and Bishop Mora many anxious
moments for it was not an easy undertaking to raise money in Los Angeles in those days.
Mr. Mesmer offered himself and generously went from house to house begging for
money. He succeeded and the Cathedral was finished and the debts paid.
Now I must continue about our journey. The Bishop left us in San Francisco and
went through the Diocese to find the best location for us. He saw that Monterey was not
much of a place so he went to Los Angeles and decided that was the place for us and for
him. He then wrote Sister Scholastica telling her he had found a place for us in Los
Angeles.
The steamer which could take us near Los Angeles sailed only once a month. It
was ready to sail on the second of January. We were so anxious to begin our work that
we left San Francisco without waiting to be told. The steamer brought us to San Pedro
but as there were not public conveyances of any kind at the time we did not know how
we were going to get to Los Angeles. Fortunately a lady who had traveled with us was
met by a man with a wagon. She offered to take us with her and we were very glad to
accept. The ride was splendid but as we neared the Los Angeles River the wagon stuck
in the mud. There was nobody to pull us out. There were eight of us in the wagon, six
Sisters, the lady, and the driver. We were there a long time, when some travelers came to
our aid and we at last arrived in Los Angeles on the fifth of January, 1856. Our Bishop
did not expect us until the next steamer, that is not for another month; so there was
nobody to meet us. We did not know where to go. There were no streets, no people were
around and only a few houses could be seen here and there….
The house was quite small. The people from whom we bought the place had
brought it from London. They left a little furniture, but one afternoon, they came for it
and we were left without anything. Sister Scholastica told Mr. Moran, our neighbor, that
we had no beds. He said there was nothing he could do but go out to the carpenters and
fill some sacks with shavings. Sister said that would do. We slept on those sacks for
some time. I used to complain that they were awfully hard but Sister would motion with
her finger to say nothing. Later a good lady gave us some wool to make mattresses. It
took us some time to clean the wool. The carpenter made six beds and then we were
grand. The children brought their beds and put them on the floor. We had to walk on
them to go up to ours. In the morning they rolled them up and put them in the summer
house as we needed the room for school. Some of the ladies used to come to the school
with their children. Their servants would bring their lunch and they had their table in the
yard. The room where the children slept was used as oratory, classroom, sewing room
and parlor. Only God knows what we went through but nevertheless we were happy.
In all kinds of weather we had to cross the [Zanja Madre] in a small boat to go to
Mass. We were in great danger of falling in and had to hold each other’s hand to balance
ourselves.

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�The first Mass we heard in the old church was chanted by the Indian boys, who
were taught by a Brother of the Sacred Heart.
The old parish priest resigned and Father Blasé Bao [Blas Raho] took his place.
The church was in ruins. Father Bao [Raho] repaired it and did a great deal of good for
the people. He was made Vicar-General of the diocese. Father was very good to us and
to our works. He thought we should build as the children were beginning to come and the
house was too small. While the new house was being built we had to rent one in which to
keep school.
The corner stone of the new building was laid on the twenty-ninth of June, Feast
of the Saints Peter and Paul. Father Bao [Raho] gave the children and us a little feast.
He was very devoted and whenever he was given anything he would send it to us. One
day Father came to the house and said he had a very sick man for us to take care of.
Sister Ann said, “Father where can we put a sick man? We have hardly room for
ourselves.” He said we must find a corner as the man had to be cared for or he would die.
Sister Ann said there was a place near the gate where the gardener kept his tools and we
could take them out and put the man in. Father brought he man and he got well. That
was the beginning of the hospital in Los Angeles.
Father Bao [Raho] wrote to St. Joseph’s for some Sisters for Santa Barbara and
some for us.
Father bought three pieces of white [linen] to make dresses for the children so that
they would look nice on Easter. It kept us busy but they were all dressed up on Easter
Sunday and the people admired them very much.
He also gave us a picnic. He wanted to surprise us and said we were going to a
funeral. We went to San Francisco in a stage expecting a real funeral. What did he bring
but a stuffed sheep for us to eat!
Father Burlando sent two Sisters for Santa Barbara. We were expecting two also
but three came, one to take my place. I was sent to Santa Barbara to make a third there.
The Sisters for Los Angeles got there on the second anniversary of our arrival so they
found something done. We were just moving into the new house but I did not get a
chance to sleep in it as they sent me immediately to Santa Barbara. I arrived there on the
eighth of January 1858. The other sisters were Sister Mollain [Mullane], who was Sister
Servant, and Sister Andrea. We began the Mission. The house had been lent to us for
five years. We had the wealthiest children in the town in our school. Sister Andrea was
teacher. The Sister Servant and I had to keep house but she was sick all the time. I had
to do the cooking. I never liked kitchen work but Sister Servant said I should stay in the
kitchen until I did like it. I tried my best and on days when Sister Servant was in bed I
had to bring her a little of everything that I cooked so she could see if it was well
prepared…. I had to wait on the children and take my meals with them. Sister Andrea
was very generous. She attended to the supper and made the bread three times a week
before going to class. At recess time she would put it in the oven. On Saturdays I took
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�care of the children and Sister Andrea kept house and washed the clothes. I also kept the
sewing class.
With a bucket and rope we had to draw from the well all the water we used. The
kitchen had to be moved outside on account of the smoke. I was nearly blinded by it.
Some days the Sister Servant would have to go to her room and ask our Blessed Mother
to make the fire burn and to keep the smoke down so that I could get dinner ready on
time.
One day I was not able to hold up my head I felt so ill. There was no one to get
the dinner as the Sister Servant was sick in bed. The dinner hour came and everything
was cooked. It was cooked by Divine Providence; I really did not do it and there was
nobody else there. The same day after supper the Sister Servant told me to take the
children for a walk. I had to tell her that I could not walk. Then she told me to finish the
rest of the ironing. I felt so sick I thought I would drop dead. I often think now that I
should have done as I was told, even if I had died taking the children out.
I slept in the large girls dormitory. We went to bed at the usual time but I did not
get up at four o’clock. Sister came and made me get up. I heard the girls say it was cruel
for they knew I was sick.
That Sister Servant was only one year in Santa Barbara. She was in the last stages
of consumption. She worked as hard as any of us. She would clean the store room which
was a very dusty place, and the rats and squirrels made plenty of dirt. The place was very
old and damp. I wrote a letter one day and when I went to get it the next day it was all
wet. It was even very hard to keep a fire burning for the sick Sister Servant.
We had to cross the wet, muddy yard to get what we needed for cooking. Once
there was a great flood and our whole place was filled with water. Fortunately, there
was, at the time, a regiment of soldiers in town and the doctor asked the colonel to send
some of them to open a place in the wall so the water could escape. They had no sooner
done so than the water flowed out and we were saved. After that, the soldiers came to
our well for the water as they couldn’t get it any place else for the other wells were dry.
Then ours used to get dry after the wash was finished since the soldiers drew so much.
Sister Andrea and I worked together and were happy in the midst of trials and
inconveniences. I had a great trial and thought of leaving the Community. I was far
away from home and would have had no place to go. I recommended myself to the
prayers of the children without telling them my intention. Our Lord heard their prayers
and the next morning, I had no thought of leaving and have not had any since. How
grateful I ought to be to God for giving me courage to persevere in my dear vocation after
many trials and difficulties.
Our Sister Servant had gone to Los Angeles. She thought she would get well
there but she died in a short time. It was more than a month before we learned of it as the
mail came by the steamer which made only one voyage a month.
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�We were only three young sisters, not one of us had made the Holy Vows yet; so
dear Sister Frances McEnnis sent us an older Sister – Sister Polycarp O’Driscoll. She was
made Sister Servant and we liked her very much. She made many improvements in the
house and school.
My health began to fail due to the dampness and over-work. Sister Polycarp took
me out of the kitchen and put me in the school. I knew I was not capable of teaching but
I fulfilled my duties in obedience and was very devoted to it so our dear Lord helped me.
I had a good voice so I used to sing with the children in church until we got a teacher.
When everything was going nicely our Lord sent us a cross. That year was so dry
that the people lost everything; even the cattle died. They were not able to pay the tuition
and we began to feel real poverty.
The house had ben lent to us for only five years and we thought that at the end of
that time we would be able to build, but we were not. It happened that on the very day
that the loan expired, Mr. Aguire, the owner, wanted the house, so we had to leave it.
Fortunately Dr. Den gave us a Ranch in Cinegites [Cieneguitas], so we went there and
took the orphans with us. The house was very small but we made it larger by boarding it
all around. We made an inner room for the children, a clothes room, a wash room and a
little parlor. There was also a small kitchen and a very tiny attic out of which we made a
dormitory. I slept up there and the roof was so low that I had to stoop in order to get in
bed. Once in bed I could not turn over without bumping my head. There were holes in
the wall and I was often visited by rats. In the morning I sometimes found them drowned
in my wash basin. Oh! it was terrible. The foxes howled all night trying to get the
chickens. I couldn’t sleep for fear that they would climb up, as we had made steps
leading up to the attic and had turned one of the windows into a door. It had to be kept
closed all night on account of the tramps so that left only one window for air.
We had Mass only on Sundays and not then if it rained. The church was a small
one that the Indians had attended. It was a long distance from our house and it was
usually one o’clock before we got home and had our breakfast. If it happened to rain, we
got home all wet and muddy. Sometimes our clothing was so drenched that we had the
whole house wet.
The house was on a hill and in order to get water we had to go down to the creek
with buckets and carry it up. We did this every day after dinner and supper. There was
no way of washing the clothes so Sister took some of the larger girls and went to a distant
creek to wash them. They would bring them home in the evening all dry and ready to
iron.
We were given two hundred sheep. Sister gave me two little lambs to care for.
To feed them I would dip my fingers in a basin of milk and they would suck the milk.
They began to be troublesome as they grew so Sister gave them to a little boy who was
always around our house. His mother had the lambs killed but the boy would not eat any
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�dinner. He went to his aunt and then to his grandmother and found they also had some of
the lamb. So he ate no dinner that day
.
I was not very well. My Sister Servant wanted to send me to San Francisco. I
said, “Oh, no Sister do not send me away, let me die here.” Sister said, “I do not want you
to die, I want you to get well but here we are so crowded. Let us see what Sister
Scholastica will say.” Sister Scholastica told Sister to send me to her. I was delighted to
go to Los Angeles, to my dear first mission.
I arrived there in Holy Week so I had the good fortune of assisting at the
ceremonies of that week. I gained a little strength and after one month I was sent to San
Francisco with a band of five young sisters who had just received the Holy Habit. We
had the Seminary in Los Angeles at that time. Sister Scholastica was Directress and
Father Smith [Asmuth], Director. He did not live long. Father McGill succeeded him.
Father Smith [Asmuth] was in San Francisco when I got there with the young
Sisters. He sent them to different missions. Sister Frances McEnnis kept me with her. I
was not well so she sent me to Mount St. Joseph’s. I got a little stronger there and was
just beginning to feel at home when I was sent to St. John the Baptist's. They needed
someone who could speak Spanish. I was there eighteen months. Then they sent me
back to Santa Barbara.
We only had one Mass a week there and I found that very hard. At one time we
did not have Mass for several weeks, from the Feast of the Immaculate Conception to the
last of January. No priest could get to us on account of the floods and heavy rain. The
little adobe church that we attended was a long distance from our house. Sometimes we
were caught in the rain. When we got home I would have to put the children to bed for
fear they would catch cold. Sometimes it was two o’clock before we could get our
breakfast. I used to say, “Oh, dear Lord surely my sins must be forgiven.” I was an
angel for the children. They gave me a great deal of trouble because the Sister who had
had charge of them let them have their own way.
The Pastor and his assistant took turns to say Mass. When it was the Pastor’s
turn, he would hear our confession and the children’s before Mass. The large girls
received Holy Communion once a month and the little ones went to confession every
three months.
We would send the horse to the priest’s house on Saturday afternoon, by anyone
that we could get to take it. When the priest got back home, he would take off the saddle
and say, “Now George go home.”
When we wanted to go to the town we had to go in the stage. It was very
convenient as it passed near our place morning and evening and we did not have to pay
any fare.

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�Our big feast days we took the children to the Mission in our big wagon but not
all could go. It was the greatest penance I could give them to keep some of them home
for being bad. They would try very hard to be good for the next time. I remember once I
punished one of them and kept her home on Ash Wednesday. While we were at church,
she went to the kitchen and blackened her face with ashes from the stove. When we
came home she said, “See I had ashes too.”
After leading this kind of life for three years I told the Sister Servant I thought we
should be in the city among the people and not out among the cattle. I suggested that we
beg for money to build. We went to the city to beg and got enough money to build a
small house. When it was finished, we left the ranch in Cinegites [Cieneguitas]; I never
saw it again and I am not sorry.
We kept school but found it hard to keep things going. Sometimes we had very
little to eat. One day when I had the children out walking, we passed a garden, one of
them said, “This is my uncle’s garden, let us go in and he will give us some vegetables.”
We went in and he was glad to see us and gave us plenty of vegetables. After that he sent
vegetables to us daily; God bless him. We then got along very nicely.
We went to the parish church every day for Mass. On Sundays and holidays we
had Vespers. Some days we had a second Mass. On those days we took turns to stay at
home. We had charge of the choir. I used to sing with the children. My singing days are
over now, and it is about time at the age of eighty-four.
After a long time, I was sent back to Los Angeles. When I had been forty-seven
years in California I was sent here to El Paso. It broke my heart to leave the children in
California. I love children especially the orphans. I had left my country to come to
California and I nearly died of grief when I was missioned. Besides my dear old Sister
Servant had been in bed sick for three years. When I went in to say goodbye to her, I
said, “Dear Sister Scholastica we came together to Los Angeles and I thought we would
die together but now we are to part.” I felt very bad but I tried hard to keep back the
tears. I paid for it later, for when I arrived in El Paso I became very ill. I turned as
yellow as gold; the doctor told me I was in danger of being robbed.
When I got well, I went on duty in the Chapel. I have had that duty for the past
forty years, fourteen of which I have spent here in El Paso. I do not know how long I will
remain here. My wish is to spend the rest of my days in Santa Barbara, because there is
not one of the Sisters of the first band that went there, buried there, and I am the only one
of them living. Yet I am satisfied to do the Holy Will of God and of my Superiors.
Now I must say more about Los Angeles. The first house was built on Alamany
[Alameda] Street. The corner stone was laid by Very Rev. Blasé Bao [Blas Raho] on the
twenty-ninth of June, feast of SS. Peter and Paul. It was not a very large house and was
situated in a public place, for which reasons we sold it after some years and bought a
place on Boyle Heights. The digging of the foundation was begun on the tenth of
February, 1888. Bishop Mora laid the corner stone. On September fourteenth, 1889, we
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�moved in and our moving was great trouble. I had thought I would cry my eyes out when
it came time to leave the old house, but I had no time for that. I was kept busy arranging
things for the Chapel. I put them all into a trunk but could get no one to take it to the new
house. Mrs. Workman was going to take Sister Scholastica to the new house in her
buggy. I wanted to go with them but it was getting late and I had to see the trunk off. At
last I got a wagon from a nearby store and was so happy at my success that I rode home
in it. Then the driver took the trunk to the new house and I went in Mrs. Workman’s
buggy.
It was very late when I arrived. The altar had been brought from the old house
and we were to have Mass the next morning, so I had to arrange for it. The Sisters said
their night prayers and after they finished they put the candle out and I was left in the
dark. I did not know where to go. I had no supper after working hard all day.
Fortunately Sister Lucy Coleman took me by the arm and led me to a bed in the
infirmary. There were no covers on it but I lay down without taking off my clothes and
slept soundly all night.
After Mass and breakfast, I straightened the Altar and as there was little
water in the new house I had to go to the old house for some days to wash the Chapel
linens.
The first Sunday we spent in the new house, I intended after Mass and
Benediction and my morning prayers to go to bed and rest. I was worn out after the long
walks. But I was told to go to Mass in the city. I felt as if I would drop on the way but I
went, through obedience, and nothing happened to me.
We were many years in California before our Superior came to see us. In 1875
Mother Euphemia came to visit us. Some of the Sisters who had been exiled from
Mexico were with us at the time and I thought I would be missioned. Mother Euphemia
told me that she had not thought of it but that I had put the thought in her mind. I asked
her if she remembered the nice dinner she had given us with Bishop Amat. Sister said she
well remembered the trouble they had to get it.
Bishop Amat told us that he was going to give us three Vincentians. They arrived
in San Francisco on the ninth of March, 1864 and came to Los Angeles the eighth of May
to open a college. We were delighted to see them. Their names were Father A. Smith
[Asmuth], Father Rubi and Father Becker [Beakey]. They lived in an old house opposite
the old Church. Later Mrs. Chaills [Childs] gave them a place and they built a house and
began the college. We had to send them their meals for some time, that is, until they
were settled.
Father A. Smith [Asmuth] died and Father McGill came to take his place. A little
later our Superior General, Father Etienne died and Father McGill was sent to Assembly
and did not return. Then Father Richardson took charge of the college which was then on
Sixth Street. Father Richardson and Father Landry built a very pretty place. Some time
after Father Meyer was sent to replace Father Richardson. He was obliged to sell the old
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�place and bought a new one on Grand Avenue. Father built a college and a church to
which he gave the name of St. Vincent de Paul. At that time the place was considered to
be very far away, now it is in the best part of the city.
Before the reservoir was built the people use to carry the water in buckets from
the [zanja]. They washed their clothes, bathed and emptied refuses in the same place.
I remember when the first train passed near our house; the children were all
excited and I had to open the window to let them see it.
President Lincoln passed on the train and he asked the conductor who lived in our
place. When he was told that the Sisters of Charity lived there he said, “Oh, they have a
nice place.” That was the old place on Alamany [Alameda] Street.
Oh, those happy days in California. The long walks on dusty roads that charity
and duty required us to make were a great pleasure to me. I remember the first act of
charity that we performed in Los Angeles. A poor Indian who had worked for our
neighbor, Mr. Moran, died. Mr. Moran begged us to come to his funeral. The coffin was
put on a wagon and we walked behind it. It was a very long walk over a dusty road but
that was the only way to bury the dead in those days.
The Indian boys, who were taught by a Brother of the Sacred Heart, used to sing
the Mass. We had charge of the school and later of the choir also. Sister Corsina was a
good singer, so she taught the children to sing the Mass. Sometime after Theresa Fox, a
young girl from San Francisco came to be our music teacher. She was the first young girl
to leave from California for St. Joseph’s to join the Community. I do not know if she is
living now or not.
In the afternoon, after school, Sister Scholastica would send us into our garden to
pick strawberries. We grew enough of a variety of fruits to be able to sell some, and thus
obtained money to buy flour and other necessary things. We also had a large vineyard.

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                    <text>Around 1937, Sister Raphael Creagh wrote her memories of Virginia City.
I received the Holy Habit for St. Theresa’s day, October 15, 1889. When I went to
see Mother Marianna, I was told I would leave the following week with her and Sister
Mathilde Comstock. They were going to New Orleans and I was to go with them to within
a few hours of St. Louis where they would change cars, but Sister Magdalene Malone had
received word to meet me in St. Louis. I was to remain there in the old insane asylum in the
downtown district from Thursday until Sunday evening when sister would see me off for St.
Mary’s School, Virginia City, Nevada. The following Sunday Sister Magdalene took me to
the station where two very fine gentlemen, railroad officials, met her. After much formality
and diplomacy, they bid us adieu -- but here is where my troubles began.
I was given an interminable number of railroad tickets with all kinds of fine print on
the back, which I thought was not necessary for me to read since I had received verbal
orders from the two railroad officials. I was told the first change would take place at
Denver, Colorado and not to worry until I got there, but it was at Kansas City the next
morning that the trials began.
On our way out from Kansas City the conductor came around for my ticket
accompanied by a brakeman. The conductor must have been an A. P. A. [American
Protestant Association] who were in great power in those days. He seemed to ignore me for
what I was and said, “Why didn’t you have your ticket exchanged in Kansas City?” I told
him that I was not instructed to that effect. “Well, I’ll have to put you off if we do not hear
by the time we reach Topeka as to whether or not you can continue,” he said coldly. I said,
“Couldn’t I pay until we reach Denver since the officials in St. Louis said the first change
would be made there?” Then he said angrily, “We’ll see!”
We reached Topeka in time and waited there twenty minutes. When the train started
again I felt relieved for I thought then that they had heard I could continue, but much to my
surprise when we were three miles out of Topeka, he came to say that I must get off and
wait for the next train which would arrive there at midnight. It was then twelve noon!
I was forthwith put off the train and found myself in the middle of a Kansas
prairieland. Nothing could be seen but the barren earth, the clear sky and the railroad ties on
which I was to walk to get back to Topeka. My heart stood still when the brakeman got off
with me. He was the same man who had accompanied the conductor. I had visions of
being killed by this man on this lonely waste of land and thought how awful it would be -wearing the habit of the Sisters of Charity. The community was in no way to blame for my
presumption in traveling alone, for Mother had asked me if I thought I was equal to the trip.
Being too smart in those days, I boldly said, “I can travel anywhere while I can talk.” But
God took care of me even if I was bold.
The brakeman proved to be more of a gentleman than the conductor, for he left the
car evidently just to care for me. He began by saying, “Don’t be afraid of me, I’ll
go back to Topeka with you. I have a sister who went to school to the Sisters of St. Joseph
at Kansas City and my mother and she helped the church and sisters whenever they had a
bazaar.” I was so full of fear that I wasn’t even polite and when I got normal again I
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�thought of his great kindness and have often wondered if any good fortune came his way
from my poor prayers that only God knows I said for him. We finally reached Topeka. My
heart was in my mouth. The brakeman took my long list of tickets to the ticket window
which was in an old room in the shamble that seemed to be used for every kind of purpose.
When he told the ticket agent what had happened he glared at me and said, “Couldn’t the d - fool read?” The man in the hotel office treated me more kindly and took me to the
reception room on the second floor. I don’t remember seeing the brakeman again to even
say “thank you” to him.
Another episode happened here. I think all the people in Topeka had been notified
that a one-man circus had come to town and to come and see the great curiosity at the hotel.
These good people walked around me and seemed to view me from every angle. They
brought me some supper about six o’clock, but I was too heart-sick to eat. I doubt whether
I thanked them. About eight p.m. I had some real wild west experience. In one of the
adjoining rooms, some men began to play cards. I could hear their talking through the
transom, and, believe me, I never heard the like language before or since. At eleven fortyfive I heard the train whistle and the nice man in the office came to tell me that the train was
coming. When I got downstairs, I said, “How much do I owe you?” He said, “Nothing!” I
am sorry this has happened.”
Another episode. When I boarded the train, I saw a porter and when he saw me, I
know he thought I came from another world. I said to him, “Where is my berth?” He had
to get over his fright before he could answer. He pointed to a berth that a man was just
getting out of and said, “Get right in thar.” I said very coldly, “After you have changed the
linen.” There was no sleep for me that night, but when I got settled for the day, I found the
conductor quite different from the one who put me off at Topeka. The next stop really was
Denver. This was the first time I had breathed freely for days. We changed there to the Rio
Grande Route which went to San Francisco.
I just got seated when a lovely young woman about forty came in and said, “Oh, you
darling sister, I went to school to your sisters in San Francisco. My two little girls are going
there now.” She asked me where I was going and in order to be friendly, I related my
experiences. She was more than indignant. After telling me that her father was chief-ofpolice of San Francisco, Captain Douglas, he happened in. They had attended a police
convention in Chicago. When he heard what had happened in my regard he said, “Sister,
you’ll have no more such experiences if I have to take you to Virginia City myself.” The
Captain visited around in the train and after a while came to me with a young man, Mr.
Ferguson, who was said to be an assayer in the mines and was just returning with his bride
from Boston. I became acquainted with the young bride and discovered that she had gone
to school with some girls in Boston who were friends of mine. They had gone to the school
of Notre Dame Namur. This, of course, brought up a new interest and the couple assured
Captain Douglas that they would take care of me until they landed me at St. Mary’s School,
Virginia City.
I had to stay with Mr. and Mrs. Ferguson in Reno over night until the next day when
the train left at noon. We reached Virginia City at three p.m. It seems that I had been
promised, or some sister, three months before. As the arrival of the only train that came to
the city was always an event, all the senior girls would go down to meet the anticipated sister;
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�but after three months had passed and no sister came, there were but three girls about
seventeen years old at the station the day I arrived. They seemed wild with delight and one
of them joyously remarked -- “Oh, welcome Sister Expectation.” I didn’t make them any
wiser to my name. The fact is, I didn’t have one. The girls took me from the Fergusons and
brought me to St. Mary’s.
The sisters were also delighted for they had been expecting me for months. “What is
your name,” they asked. I told them Mother said I would get a name when I reached my
mission and that if anyone asked me my name while I was on the train, I was to say, “Sister
Mary.” It was a worthwhile thought, for if I had had to give my family name, I would be
spelling it yet. Having arrived on November second, I nearly got Most Honored Father’s
name whose feast is nearest to November second, but the sisters said not to give me Charles
Borromeo because the children would be calling me all kinds of names. They looked back in
the prayer-book to October twenty-fourth and said that I should be called Raphael in honor
of the guide of travelers for he surely got me there.
When the sisters heard how I got there, Sister Angelica O’Hallaron considered me a
special charge and said, “If you are not all you should be some punishment will come to you
for I told Sister Phillipe Berry (an old sister who had gone to Emmitsburg to end her days)
to follow the Seminary Sisters every time they went out and tell the Lord to send [us] the one
destined for Virginia City. From then on when a reprimand was in order, I was reminded of
Sister Phillipe.
As I look back on the first few years spent in Virginia City I remember when I went
to bed at night the food I had for serious reflections -- often thinking, “This is the way I’ll be
when dead!” All the work was done in the bowels of the earth and when the children were
dismissed from school everything was as still as death -- absolutely nothing doing above
ground.
After rising at four and attending to little duties, we climbed the mountain side to go
to Mass -- no paved roads as we enjoy in these days! We had to go out to Mass every day in
the week with the exception of one or two days when we had Mass in our Chapel. For
about six months in the year we ploughed through snow up to our waists. When we reached
the church, we would shake our clothes which were perfectly dry owing to the dryness of the
climate. It never rained in summer for we lived above the clouds the second highest point in
the United States, I believe -- eight thousand feet above sea level. When we returned from
Mass which was usually said about seven, we ate breakfast sometimes in the shadows in
order to see the sunrise over hundreds of mountain peaks -- the like of which I have never
seen elsewhere.
The school was one of the finest we had in those days. The children had very bright
minds, being the sons and daughters of university and college graduates who came west to
seek their fortunes -- real adventurers! While I didn’t reach Virginia City in Hey Dey, the
slogan was even in my time, “Go west, young man, go west.” Many had made and many
had lost their fortunes. We had three girls at the school whose mother was matron at the
poor house, and she told us they had thirty-three multi-millionaires who all boasted of great
wealth in their day. ‘Twill be always so where money is concerned.
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�I was appointed to teach the seventh and eighth grade boys and as I said before, they
had such fine minds and were of such sterling character. I have not met the like anywhere
else. It was my duty to answer the doorbell after three p.m. when school was out. On one
occasion Sister Baptista Lynch (R.I.P.) who was Sister Servant at the time said to me, “There
will be a gentleman here today -- a Mr. Mackey who is a great friend of the Community and
to whom we are much indebted for what the Sisters of Charity have here in Virginia City.”
Anyone who knew Sister Baptista can imagine just how I was instructed. I was told to be
most cordial and if he offered to shake hands with me not to refuse. I was to invite him in
and say, “I shall get the sisters here right away. I’m sure they will be so glad to see you.”
John arrived about three-thirty and while he was polished and cordial, I would never have
taken him for a millionaire, although I had never come in contact with one until I met Mr.
Mackey. He was well dressed of course, a man of about sixty-five years old -- had gray hair
then but it must have been somewhat sandy in his early days. His face was well freckled, but
as I said, he was polished for all of that. I ushered him into our little parlor and went to get
the sisters. Most of them had never met him before like myself, but as a matter of courtesy
inquired about “Madame” Mackey and the Princess…
The hospital in Virginia City, which was one of the finest, as well as the school were
gifts of all the miners, but especially the successful ones who made their money there. The
hospital had an eight or ten acre lot with a fine iron fence all around it. It was a four story
brick building. The school was a two-story building with a basement. The sisters lived in a
frame cottage on the same grounds as the school. It was said that many of the finest minds
were developed out of St. Mary’s School and its financial backing helped many poor when
sickness or death overtook the families. Mr. Mackey paid for all the drinking water used in
the hospital and school. The water used in operating the mines was obtained from the
melting snows of winter and conducted through flumes over the hundreds of mountain
peaks to the mines. The drinking water was brought by pipe from Lake Tahoe on the
border of California and Nevada and seemed in those days as valuable as diamonds. Indeed
‘twas said that God never intended that man should live there, for it never rained. It was no
place for man to live and God threw in the silver in order to give him some reward for ever
attempting it. There was absolutely no vegetation except the sage brush. A few Chinese
who made an attempt at gardening had to do so by irrigation. If it didn’t snow, and that
copiously, there would be no work for the miners when summer came.
I can recall when the boys would rush in and say, “Sister, Mr. Coleman asked for the
sisters and children to pray for snow.” He was the Editor of the Virginia City Chronicle.
On one occasion I remember our prayers were more than answered, for it snowed so much
the children could not get near the school for days. Mark Twain was the first editor of the
paper, but this Mr. Coleman was not far behind him in intelligence. I recall the last verse of
a poem he wrote after being snowed in. It read thus:
“The snow on the roof is six feet high,
And that in the yard is ten,
And now, O Lord, if you’ll only let up,
We’ll never say “snow again!”
Our dear Sister Gertrude Dooling, who died here at St. Mary’s a few months ago,
immigrated with her family in the early fifties from Albany, New York, to seek their fortune
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�also. She came to the Community when sixteen years of age while Virginia City was making
its history. Her family figured in the making of it. Her brother, Maurice Dooling, I read
recently, was the greatest Supreme Court Judge San Francisco ever had -- so much so, that
his son, Sister’s nephew, was appointed to replace his father when he died.
An uncle, her mother’s brother, Rt. Rev. Patrick Manogue figured in the history of
Virginia City, too. He arrived there when sixteen years of age, and since, as I have said
before, no law or order existed in his day, ‘twas said that whenever he came on the scene, his
dignity and personality accounted for so much that all disputes, whatever they may have
been, ceased. He dug the earth as the other miners did, but the engineers wanted him with
them, so they made him one of them in short order since he had such a good mind. This
brought him seven dollars a day. Then the assayers wanted him to join them and they taught
him their line of work. This paid him ten dollars a day. He made some investments as well,
and one day he surprised all his friends by telling them he was going to study for the
priesthood. He spent his money in studying at Paris, Innsbruck, Louvain and finally went to
Rome where he was ordained and returned to America for the San Francisco Diocese. He
was sent to Virginia City later while many of the miners were still there. Through the
genuine love these miners bore him, they erected a church, St. Mary’s of the Mountains,
which equaled any of its kind in Europe. After twelve years, the San Francisco Diocese had
attained such proportions that it was considered well to make a new diocese to be called the
Sacramento Diocese and he was appointed the first Bishop. He was ever after called the
“Miner Bishop” and he seemed to glory in that title. He came to see us here at St. Mary’s on
one occasion. I found him to be all I had heard of him -- the personification of dignity and
a genuine priest. I remember he said, “My sisters are the nearest to heaven in America, and
I’m sure will some day merit their reward.”
There were others among the multi-millionaires who figured in the history of these
days, the Fairs whose two daughters went to school at St. Mary’s and later married and
played their part in New York society, the Sutros, Floods, and O’Briens who lived in
California. Another rich man was “Sandy Bowers of Washoe Valley” who is said on one
occasion, when celebrating some gala feast, to have thrown green-backs from the second
floor piazza of the International Hotel into a mob of people in the street below who
scrambled fiercely for them. He built a residence for himself and wife in Washoe Valley a
few miles from Virginia City and was said to have had so much money that the doorknobs
of the house were made of gold. It was related too, that an interior decorator accompanied
him and his wife to select the furniture for the new house. I do not know whether any of
the gold knobs and fine furniture still remains but I do know that Sandy lost his great
fortune; and after God took him to Himself his wife was telling fortunes for a living and was
advertised in San Francisco as “The Seer of the Washoe Valley.”
By degrees the mines were being worked out. Day and night men were employed in
working them. Even on Sunday the work went on and some priest remarked, “There will
come a time when they’ll have no work Sunday or Monday.” That time came a few years
after I was sent to Santa Barbara. Whole families of six or eight children would take their
departure for Montana or Colorado where they were working lead and copper mines.
Finally, the hospital and school were closed. I never heard what use was made of them, if
any, after the sisters left.
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�This wouldn’t be a tale of the past unless some of the pupils, those grand characters,
intelligent lads, figured in it too. Every Saturday, the school holiday, they’d take their burros
and start out “prospecting.” I had to listen to each one in turn Monday morning before the
opening of classes and seem intensely interested in the veins in the mountain peaks and their
great value which they could determine as well as any assayer.
When our school closed in the latter part of June, we had classes every morning
during the summer for the public-school children to instruct them for their First Holy
Communion. The first morning some boys ran in breathless to tell me that [Cory] was
outside. Everybody seemed afraid of him, myself included, and I had to do some fast
thinking on disciplining before he came in. Among other things, they told me that he shot at
the teacher in the public school the week before but struck the clock over her head and sent
the teacher and pupils flying out of the room. I decided to put [Cory] in the front row of
seats right in front of my desk in order that he couldn’t see what was going on in back of
him. When it came to reciting [Cory], of course, had never studied Catechism, but by the
time he finished, which occupied the two months of school vacation, he knew more that
when he began. I had him repeat the answers after I had said them first, then he would look
around at the boys as much as to say, “Didn’t I do well?” All the time I was teaching that
first day, I was trying to think out what to do with him when school was dismissed. A bright
thought came to me, and before I dismissed the class, I said, “[Cory], these children are a
perfect nuisance the way they stay around and annoy the sisters nearly all day instead of
going home. Will you please see they do not loiter around and that the grounds are cleared
as soon as they are dismissed?”
The venture proved a great success. [Cory] saw to it that there were no loiterers
around the school until the instruction school closed for that summer. I told him too that if
he would chop some wood for the sisters, we would give him his dinner. We burnt no coal - it was too expensive. From then on, he chopped all the wood. True to his reputation,
however, he still had the “wild west” in his make-up. On one occasion when two sisters
went to do some shopping and the street was blockaded. [Cory] was attacking a driver of a
big mule wagon, but when they saw the two sisters they said, “Cheese it, [Cory], the sisters.”
When he heard this, he flew and the poor driver jumped up on his seat and drove away not
from fear of the sisters, but with fear and dread of [Cory]….
I have often reverted in memory to those days and know from experience that the
boys were the soul of honor. They had no such dissipations as the boys who lived in cities.
The school was visited daily by a Priest who possessed every quality of a model priest. He
volunteered when ordained in Ireland to come to the “wild west.”
I can recall the time when he would come into the room and say, “[Lawrence], what
were you doing on your way to school this morning?” Lawrence would answer, “I was
‘rocking’ Jimmie McMurchey’s cabin.” Even in my time, old miners lived in old shambles
on the mountain side, for there were no women they could marry in mining days and
preferred to remain bachelors till the Lord called them to Himself. “Why were you ‘rocking’
the cabin”, the Priest would say. “I’ll tell you, Father. When he sees us coming, he comes
out and curses and swears at us.” Father would turn his back on the class and face my desk
and with a suppressed smile would say, “Don’t forget Lawrence, you’ll be old yourself some
day.”
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�And again, [Pat], whose forebears came from the land of saints and scholars, was
absent one morning from school, much to my surprise, for he was a regular attendant.
When he finally came, he said, “Sister, I was sick this morning”. I took it for granted he was
telling the truth, but later he came to tell me that he had told me a lie. Instead of coming to
school in the morning he had gone into the tunnel to enjoy a smoke and fell asleep. When
he woke up it was too late for school. I commended him highly for telling the truth, but
added, “Do your parents know that you smoke?” He said, “No”. “Well,” said I, “God was
good to you for you might have been brought home to them mangled to pieces when they
supposed you were in school”. The tunnels had but one track used for dumping the earth
after the ore was extracted. I’m sure he believed me and never tried it again.
I took care of my own classroom but was never permitted to sweep it when any of
the boys were around. On one occasion I complained of papers on the floor and appointed
a monitor to make a list of the delinquents. One day my own name headed the list. I called
the class to order, made a most humble apology and told them I hoped it would never
happen again.
“Them days have gone forever.” I know there were many sisters who preceded me
who, if they were still living, could write more than I ever could of those days spent in
Virginia City, Nevada.
While I was never down in a mine, I think I knew quite as much as if I had been for
I had to listen to everything that interested the boys. May those days ever be a lesson to me
in many ways, those days when I lived so near to God and my duty.
[Editor’s Note: On page 4, Sister Raphael writes that Mark Twain was the first editor of the
Virginia City Chronicle which seems inaccurate; but he was definitely a writer for the Territorial
Enterprise. On page 5, she indicates that Father Manogue had been a miner in Viriginia City;
he had been miner in California.]

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Sister Mary Ellen Gleason, SC
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon, SC
January 12, 1988
Sister Noreen Neary, SC
October 23, 2020

Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: In the early 1960s, as a response to Pope John XXIII’s appeal
for missionaries to the Third World countries, you volunteered to serve in our first mission in
Bolivia.
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon: That's right.
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: There were three other sisters: Sister Mary Frederick
[Holbrow], Sister Anne James [Connolly] and Sister Grace Lavina [Reilly], who comprised
the first group. Let's begin with you. How did you prepare yourself, educationally, to meet
the needs of the people you were called to serve?
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon:
Well, I speak for my own self, but this really does apply to all of us. We really didn't know
where Bolivia was. First we had to find a map and find where it was. Then it was a matter of
finding out about what Bolivia was. What it meant. And I went to the library. That was the
easiest way to get some idea of who was in Bolivia…what was in Bolivia. What was it all
about?
The next piece was that I did not speak Spanish. And I had a background in French and
Latin, but I had no Spanish. However, I wasn't too sure of how to go about this and then I
find out that none of us spoke Spanish and therefore we were told that arrangements
were made for us to go to a language school in Lima, Peru.
So, what we did, we got some tapes. We had some books, we even played Scrabble and
this was Sister Mary Frederick, Lord have mercy on her, this was her great idea. We
would play Scrabble in Spanish. It was torture for most of us. But, in fact, we played
Scrabble every afternoon on the boat going down to Bolivia. And somewhere along the
line, I found an egg timer. And Sister Mary Frederick said we had to play for ten
minutes. So I used to turn the egg timer. But then we finally got to Peru only to find out
that the language school was only for men. We couldn't go. This was 1963. And when
we went on to Bolivia, we had…arrangements had been made for us to live with
Spanish-speaking sisters while the house we were going to live in, the convent, was being
fixed...being built. And when we got to Coroico, the sisters that we were to live with
were petrified of us, didn't know what to make of us. We were gringos and they were very
a pretty strict community. And it almost took a Papal Mandate that they eat with us, they
recreate with us, they do everything with us. And one of them became our teacher. The
Franciscans supplied the books and then we had class. And that went on for a couple of
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�months. And little by little, we learned the language and I carried a dictionary, myself, for
almost two years. It became a joke about me and my little dictionary. But it was the only way
to learn the language. You had to be willing to make mistakes and the people laughed, then
that was all right.
But I would say, after two years, I felt very fluent and it didn't matter. I was able to...I was
comfortable in English or in Spanish. But the preparation, to answer your beginning
question, really was nothing. It was...nobody knew what to do. But we survived. Does that
answer your question?
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: Almost. You had a background in nursing...and you had spent
several years at the Hospital of St. Raphael [in New Haven, Connecticut] before you went to
Bolivia. Now, was it possible for you to take time while you were at St. Raphael's to learn
special techniques that perhaps only a doctor would do so that you could better serve the
people in Bolivia?
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon:
You're very right. Sister Louise Anthony [Geronemo], Lord have mercy on her, was very,
very supportive of my going to Bolivia. Arrangements were made for me to work in the
emergency room. And I worked there for a couple of months. Dr. Mark Russell was the
senior resident and he was just so enamored with my going to Bolivia. He taught me so
many things. He taught me how to sew people. He taught me how to do in-depth
examinations. He taught me many, many things which I don't even want to talk about on
public taping, but it was three wonderful months. Wonderful months. And when I finished
there, before I went to Bolivia, he gave me a machete. It was about two and a half feet long
when he gave it to me. And when I left Bolivia, it was about six inches long. It got an awful
lot of use in those years.
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: Am I right in thinking that you even had some experience in
learning procedures in dentistry, like how to extract teeth? Or is that something you
taught yourself?
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon:
No, no, no…what happened was that when we went to Bolivia, there was a dentist from
[Saint Joseph’s Hospital in Paterson, New Jersey]. He volunteered to come down for two
weeks. He came in our first year there and he brought all his own equipment. And, at that
time, I was very young and I…and the world was mine and I could do everything, so he
spent a great deal of time and…he worked all day long. He taught me how to pull teeth and
in the evening, he'd come down and he'd have classes and he'd…which tooth got which
instrument and all this stuff and he left his complete set of instruments…taught me how to
give the anesthesia…taught me all these other things…and in the two weeks that he was
there, he pulled over 700 teeth. And in the time that I was there, I pulled a couple of
thousand teeth.

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�Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: What about the delivering of babies. Did you ever do that in
Bolivia?
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon:
Yes, I did deliver babies, but not for long because Sister Malwina Anne [Sister Evelyn
Lebiedz] came and she's a midwife. And that's her specialty and she did wonderful
things with setting up classes and doing that kind of stuff.
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: What about the other three sisters? Do you know if they did
anything in particular to get ready to go to Bolivia other than maybe trying to do something
about learning Spanish?
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon:
Well, we all were in the same boat where Spanish was concerned. Sister Mary Frederick
may have had a couple of more words than the rest of us, but none of us spoke Spanish. I
would think Mary Frederick and Anne James most likely gathered catechetical things to use.
Sister Grace, I know, made some arrangements with Saint Joseph's [Hospital] to supply us
with stuff…because that's where she was missioned. But beyond that, no. Not that I know
of. It was getting our things ready. It was trying to learn about the country. And there really
wasn't that much time.
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: About how long after you were accepted to go to Bolivia did
you actually leave?
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon: I would say it could be no more than maybe four months.
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: So that was really a very short time...
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: Before we conclude our conversation today, is there anything
else you would like to say about your eleven years’ experience in Bolivia?
Sister Mary Ellen Verdon:
Well, as you well know, I can go on for hours and hours and hours, but in an attempt to keep
it to the theme of why we're here today, the educational opportunities of the Sisters to
prepare them for their work, I don't think it's fair to present the Bolivian experience relative
to education without introducing later changes. Because, as was said in the beginning, I went
there in 1963, when women couldn't even go to the language school. By 1965, two years
later, that was all changed. Maryknoll had a language school in Cochabamba [Bolivia]. There
was language school with Monsignor lllich in Cuernavaca [Mexico], and this was not just
language, this was society. This was teachings about the society, both spiritually, physically,
economically, anyway you want to talk about it. And these all happened starting about 1965
where men and women went to language school. But also other changes happened then.
From a sense of helping us be able to help people, was the Vatican Council. And granted, in
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�Latin America, we didn't have visions of communities like you have in this country, but there
were still some areas that Vatican II just broke down the walls completely. And this ability
to learn from each other, to share, to grow…one of the Franciscans had a catechetical group,
and he needed ideas of how to do this or that, we found ways to communicate with other
people that were doing this. Like, then we had diocesan meetings. One meeting three/four
days and maybe one day was a retreat day, but the other days…what are you doing about
this, how could we do it better? And if somebody was really good, they presented, they
talked, and they spoke. So, as time went by very rapidly, things changed very rapidly. I just
wanted to get that piece in.
Sister Mary Ellen Gleason: Thank you very much.

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Sister Mary Teresa Orbegozo, SC
Sister Teresa Miriam Beschel, SC
January 1980
Sister Noreen Neary, SC
November 30, 2020

Sr. Mary Teresa:
So, Sister, what year did you enter in the community?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
I entered on September 8th, 1922.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Now, what was the community doing at that time?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Well, I had been all through grammar school with the Sisters of Charity. And then I was with the
Dominicans at St. Mary's Academy for high school.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
What name do you take as a religious name? What name do you...
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Well, my name isn't much different from my baptismal name. I was baptized Teresa Maria, but I
asked for the name of Sister Teresa Miriam and it was given to me on Christmas night. At
midnight Mass we received the habit in 1922.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
I understand that you went to China, can you explain a little bit of the mission of China in the
year that you left the United States?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
The call came for volunteers for China through the Passionist priests in [Union City, New
Jersey], who had a mission there at the time, and [Mother Mary Alexandrine Jackson] sent a
letter to all the missions asking for volunteers and telling them what the situation was because
the Sisters of Charity hadn't gone into foreign missions at that time. I was a novice at that time,
so that was 1924. So I had no intention of being interested in going to China. But Sister Marie
Devota Ross, who had been in the novitiate a year before me, had just been professed that year;
she always had the desire of going to the foreign missions. One time I asked her, "How do you
ever expect to get to the foreign missions from the Sisters of Charity?" And she says, "Well, I
always hoped that they'd expand." Then here, right after she was professed, she applied and was
one of the 200 that made the application and she was accepted, that was just a month after she
was professed.

�Sr. Mary Teresa:
So it caught my attention when you said 200 sisters volunteered to go to China…
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
That's right.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
That was a beautiful spirit that they show.
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
And five were accepted. I believe then when they brought the number down some, their names
were put in the chalice before the final selection. And then the selection was Sister Mary Finan
Griffin, who was the supervisor of the operating room in [Saint Elizabeth Hospital in Elizabeth,
New Jersey] and she was the superior. And [Sister Maria Electa McDermott] and Sister Maria
Loretta Halligan, Sister Patricia Rose Hurley, and Sister Marie Devota Ross, they were the first
band that went to China.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
So when do you go, Sister? When do you leave?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
I was in the second band. I was at Convent the summer that word come that Sister Marie Devota
Ross had died of cholera. That was July 29th, 1932. And we had been corresponding and she'd
say, "When are you coming to China?" And I would just say, "Oh, sometime." When she died, I
said, "Well, I better at least make an effort." So right while I was at Convent that summer, I
wrote a letter volunteering to go to China, but there was no answer. And in October a letter went
out again, asking for volunteers. I knew I had volunteered earlier, so I did nothing about it. But
the week before Christmas, I got a special delivery letter that said I was accepted, and we went in
January, the end of January we left Convent.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
How many of you went?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Five of us went then, and that was Sister Agnes Paula Conefrey, Sister Marie Sebastian Curley,
Sister Alma Maria Gilmartin, Sister Mary Carita Pendergast and myself. Sister Electa had been
home recuperating from an illness and she was made the sixth sister on our trip to China. It was
her second trip.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
What kind of ministry you had in China?
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�Well, they were already established by the first group of sisters. There had been an orphanage,
and a catechumenate, and a dispensary. Of course, Sister Finan cared for the dispensary and the
visiting of the sick and dispensing of medicine. Sister Patricia Rose was the housekeeper. She
overlooked all the needs of the sisters and Sister Devota was the first novice mistress when they
had the novice. It was [Sister Marie Therese Tuan].
Sr. Mary Teresa:
How would you say that was the experience as a whole, for the community to be in China, to
open a new convent for the Sisters of Charity – what that meant for the sisters, for the
community as a whole?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Well, I think it was a very wonderful step, I think, and I consider those the best years of my life,
when I was in China, both from the work and from the spiritual advantages.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
So tell me more about that growth that you experienced while you were there.
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
I have the tape upstairs of the progression of the years, what happened during the years I was...
When we were first there, Sister Agnes Paula told me to take care of the financial end, and it was
quite an experience to work with the currency, Chinese [unintelligible] and the coppers and all
their money, and then transfer it into American amounts. I know that they had an old woman
who did the buying with the lot on the street, and doing the buying, she would come back and I’d
try to find out how she used the money and then not knowing the Chinese myself, it took me a
long time to understand that she was getting that [unintelligible] were eggs and [unintelligible]
was chicken and [unintelligible] was pork, and [unintelligible] was a vegetable, but it took some
time to find out how that one Chinese dollar was spent, and keep a record of it.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Were you challenged, the community over there, to follow the spirit of Saint Vincent de Paul?
Like by being so far away from the Motherhouse here in the United States?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Oh, we were very conscious of our heritage and the works of Saint Vincent. Our works were
very similar certainly to what he performed with the Ladies of Charity over in France. We had
the poorest of the poor; we had the beggars at the gate; we had the infants dying of malnutrition.
And then of course, we had the education end, between the two different evacuations. Because of
the communists the plan was disrupted. There was quite a time of more or less peace, where we
weren't hampered with war, but that lasted... Well, we went in [1933] and we, too, were
evacuated to Hankou because of communist aggression.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
When did you come home after…

�Sr. Teresa Miriam:
We all came home on June 1st, 1951 after the communists had taken over the hospital, the
school, and our own convent. We told them we had no place to go, and they said, "Oh, yes, you
do. The Catholic church is down on the main street." That was the bishop's house. So that was
the only place. So the bishop gave us five rooms upstairs, and we went there. Our own meals
were served upstairs and theirs were downstairs. We had our cook, and they had their cook, so it
was quite an experience to live.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
How was the return of the sisters to the community in United States? Do you feel that you had to
adjust yourself again to the type of life that the sisters were having here?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
When we came back, we were a few days in San Francisco and a Jesuit priest came and visited
us on a few occasions. But before we got on the train to come east, he had a talk with all of us
there. And he says, "I know, your hearts are all in China." Now he says, "You're going back to
your community. You can either worry all about China, or you can put yourself right into the
other works that are waiting for you, and you can either make your life happy or else you can just
fade away." So I never forgot that. It was so true.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
How do you find the years in the community, after you just came from China? Was it hard for
you and the other sisters to participate in the works of the community?
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Mmmm, no. No, no, they gave us a big reception when we came back and we were given the
house that's now the novitiate [Harper House, adjacent to Saint Anne Villa]. We were given that
from the 1st of June ‘til September. The nine of us were there and we had the whole run of the
house. We could either have our meals there and could prepare them ourselves or we could go
over to [Saint Anne Villa], which we did many times, went over and had meals at the Villa. And
we had freedom for three months to get back into the swing. And then after three months, we
were all missioned somewhere, and I was sent here [Saint Joseph’s Hospital in Paterson, New
Jersey] and I've been here ever since.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Since…
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
It was the 1st of September, 1951.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
'51. That's wonderful, Sister. What do you do now over here in St. Joseph? What kind of…
Sr. Teresa Miriam:

�Well, I started out as a teacher. I taught for nine years, ten years before I went to China at
[Sacred Heart School in the Vailsburg section of Newark, New Jersey]. Because in the school
when it was started again after we got there, and I studied a little Chinese first. And then we also
tried to absorb some of the medical work in the dispensary and visiting the sick, Sister Finan
bringing us and showing us what you do when you visit the sick and how to meet the people.
And I didn't get into hospital work until I was home after the bombings.
Sister Finan had asked me to ask [Mother Mary Elenita Barry] for sisters for the hospital for xray and laboratory. I didn't even know what either of them meant, but I didn't – after a year or so
because the war had broken out then – I didn't see or hear of anyone being prepared. And I was
going to the schools and taking collections up on Sundays. I told Mother that school was
departmental work and if I learned something about the laboratory or x-ray, maybe I could help
out in the hospital if I went back. So she agreed that would be good. Then she let me go to the
Hospital of Saint Raphael [in New Haven, Connecticut]. I went to school at St. John's in New
Haven, and I stayed at the convent in St. John's and went over every day to the hospital into their
laboratory. Now they didn't have a program for medical technologists there, but I was there for
about a year and a half, just going from one section to another, with the different technologists.
And then as soon as V-J Day came, Sister Carita and I got permission to go to Washington and
apply for a visa. And there was a very good friend of Sister Finan's, a Jewish doctor, Dr. Charles
Ryan, and he was an officer in the army, too. So through his help in Washington, we made all
our applications there. And in October, our passports and visas were issued with special permits
from the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
So all we had to do then was to look for transportation. We had the permit, but we didn't have the
transportation. We looked and we got passage on the Marine Fox, a troop ship that had just come
in from France with 5,000 soldiers and it was leaving for Shanghai, where it was going to pick
up 3,000 and bring them to Seattle. So we got passage on that ship on the trip to Shanghai, and it
left on Thanksgiving eve of 1945. So we had Thanksgiving, the Feast of the Immaculate
Conception, Christmas, and New Years on the water. There weren't that many on the ship going
back, going from New York, from the Brooklyn navy yards. There were about 40 of the UNRRA
people, the U-N-R-R-A, [United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration] group. And
there were the wives of a couple of U.S. diplomats from Peking and Tientsin, I think.
And there were the three of us [Sisters Teresa Miriam, Mary Carita and Alma Maria]0. It was
quite an experience. We were given one cabin that had two tiers of three bunk beds and nothing
else. That was all that was there, that and our baggage. And the whole ship was geared, of
course, to men. There wasn't a chair. There wasn't anything on the deck. It was all the steel deck.
So you would want to take a blanket and try to find a place that you could sit down in the
daytime. There were some Protestant ministers, families, a couple of families of missionaries and
some of the UNRRA people, they would take mattresses and bring them out, and leave them on
the deck. And when it rained, they'd get soaked, so they'd just throw them overboard. The ship
was set up for 5,000 soldiers and there was less than 100 on it, on this trip. And we went all the
way down the Atlantic through the Panama Canal.
And when we got to Honolulu, the ship was detained there day after day because there was no
degaussing on it, and the waters were still very dangerous for mines. So the ship would not be
permitted to leave until it had the mine-repelling works in operation.
So that was the time we were cared for so beautifully by the Sisters of St. Joseph [of Carondelet]
from St. Louis. They had a mission in Honolulu. They met us at the ship and insisted on bringing

�us up to their place, their convent. And when they found out that, day after day, we were still
there, the work wasn't finished, they made us go and stay with them for a couple of nights. They
gave us new underwear so we could take baths in their convent because we never saw a bathtub
in the whole ship. But they were very kind to us. And if they found out that we were still in port,
they were right down to take us and bring us up.
One day, we were brought by a Maryknoll priest, Father Hughes, to see the bishop. The bishop
said, "Well, that's the answer to the problem!” He said someone came and told him there were
three American sisters on the island, and he didn't know whether it was true or what about it, so
he was glad when he found out who we were. And he would have been glad for us to stay there,
but we weren't interested in staying there. We wanted to get back to our own mission. They were
very nice. And another day the director of the Propagation of the Faith came to see us and gave
us a check for $250 for foreign mission work. I remembered that because I'm just writing it
upstairs.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Oh, I see. I see, I see. Yes, yes. Well, that's wonderful, Sister, that you are writing all these things
down so the sisters…
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Well, I had lot of help in this way that my family kept all the letters I sent. So I took them all
back. And in that way I can recall a great many things that you wouldn't otherwise.
Sr. Mary Teresa:
Yes, yes. Well, Sister, I appreciate all this, just to have the chance to talk to you and share your
experiences.
Sr. Teresa Miriam:
Yeah, I was glad to hear all about you, too.

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